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Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by seanw444 »

r0ckarong wrote: post #331
banku_brougham wrote: post #268

Does anyone know why NATO/US never gave Ukraine what they were asking for! jets, Anti-air systems, ATACMs, etc?

Because this whole shit is just another cold war meant to drive the interest of power on both sides. The west got justification to jack up prices on everything in the name of "energy crisis because we need to do the right thing" and the East can expand their power and nationalize western businesses in the name of "sanctions" that happen to be relabeled and still run profitably through shell companies. It's all just a…

And just like every other time, you're the stupid one if you don't vote in lockstep with the current trendy war.

And then two decades later after the war, when people aren't so vehemently biased one way or the other, then everyone agrees again "war is stupid - why did everyone fall for it?"

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Post by iwontberude »

bvrmn wrote: post #249
isolli wrote: post #52

Sad times for Russia... Barred anti-war Russian presidential candidate [Boris Nadezhdin] fails in two legal challenges [0] [0] https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/barred-anti-war-russian...

Sad times began in 2012. Since then opposition has no a single chance to win elections.

Navalny was in support of Ukrainian invasion of Crimea and knew it would require a further land invasion to keep. He was just as psycho and homicidal (suicidal) as Prigozhin but refused to be under Putin’s thumb. Navalny wanted to be the #1 asshole in charge otherwise return to Russia and die in prison.

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Post by MrDresden »

kulikalov wrote: post #378

There are smart people who work for Russia, or worse - for russian gov. Without them it would not be possible. How can an individual have both the critical thinking and still have the gut to contribute to this? I grew up in rural russia. It's much much worse than what you see on the facade. My neighbour was a police man. His 15 years boy raped a kid from local orphanage and captured it on a video. No justice followed…

> How can an individual have both the critical thinking and still have the gut to contribute to this?

Personal experience has taught me that critical thinking does not nessecarily go hand in hand with the ability and/or the guts to push for change.

Many who move through corporate worlds do so for personal gains, and will not speak out against or put them selves in the spotlight to fix issues that might reflect badly on their upward progress in the hierarchy.

And from my interaction of these kinds of people, they have often been very intelligent.

I believe the same behaviour and motives sadly exist for many in modern day societies.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by lukasm »

lukasm wrote: post #89
belter wrote: post #34

A little reminder of what Putin has been up to in the last few years. - Annexation of Crimea (2014) - MH17 Downing (2014) - Intervention in Syria - 2016 U.S. Election Interference - Skripal Poisoning (2018) - Anti-LGBTQ+ Laws - Navalny Poisoning (2020) - Wagner Group Activities - Invasion of Ukraine (2022) - Killing of Yevgeny Prigozhin (2023) - Killing of Alexei Navalny (2024) What is necessary for US and European L…

- Litvinenko - blowing up ammo storage in Czech Rep. - Beslan school siege - Keystone Pipeline and Freeport LNG fire - electricity and internet cable sabotage

Kursk submarine disaster

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Post by orbital-decay »

aerique wrote: post #385
telesilla wrote: post #35

The 2022 documentary 'Navalny' is important and explains how the anti-corruption campaigner got to that terrible place, being poisoned with a Novichok nerve agent and still deciding to go back to Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navalny_(film) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF_HsKCWEHw (trailer)

I never understood why he went back to Russia.

Certainly nobody wants to be a martyr. I guess he thought he had a chance at peaceful politics, and at the time it could have been seen as reasonable by a poor planner like him. He had a history of weird blunders, like refusing to resort to violence when it became the only possible solution, or failing the publicly planned protest simply because he didn't account for being detained under a bullshit pretext for a few hours.

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Post by golergka »

mistyq wrote: post #109
isolli wrote: post #52

Sad times for Russia... Barred anti-war Russian presidential candidate [Boris Nadezhdin] fails in two legal challenges [0] [0] https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/barred-anti-war-russian...

He is not an "anti-war candidate". To think it is possible without FSB approval is naivety. His purpose was to collect lists of people who signed for him (that is, new opposition that hasn't emigrated and formed naturally in 2022-2024 - needless to say, it consists of completely different demographics and people's backgrounds from the "old" opposition). Unfortunately these people are too naive to recognize the danger…

I've known him personally for quite a time and that's a ridiculous statement. He never was and isn't a revolutionary, but he always was pretty sincere in his beliefs and his attempts to fight in rapidly closing legal space.

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Post by ivan_gammel »

JohnBooty wrote: post #133
ivan_gammel wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the Biden‘s red line, just like Syria was the red line for Obama. In 2021 he promised dangerous consequences for Russia if Navalny dies.

I'm not sure this situation is comparable because the US is already fighting a proxy war including economic sanctions against Russia's invasion of Ukraine, with US materiel and funds directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Russian soldiers. Pentagon estimates 300,000 Russian casualties so far. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/15/world/europe/russia-invas... In concrete terms what would you suggest the US d…

Situation is comparable politically as an example of promise America probably cannot keep. There’s nothing left to do, no additional pressure to apply. And that is going to have consequences for America more than for Russia.

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Post by KingOfCoders »

feedforward wrote: post #387
KingOfCoders wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, all the same, UK prison cells and Russian Gulag with people tortured and worked to death. There is no difference between a $10 fine for parking in the wrong spot and the death sentence. The later is just a little bit more "harsh".

That's right there are no differences. The UK nabbed a 17 year old English girl named Carole Richardson in 1975 and tortured her until she confessed to bombing pubs that soldiers frequented in Guildford. Her detention without charge for many days was allowed due to then recent legislation stripping those civil liberties. Her and three Irishmen she knew who were also tortured and who also confessed under torture were…

"Yes UK prison cells are the same."

So 1977 is today? (personally when making that argument I'd use the Boers genocide by the British in the prison system, would have more impact). The dungeons of 1244 France are the same as the prison system in France today? The German prison system today is the same as in 1944? What kind of physics theory of time equivalence is that?

Did the UK torture prisoners. Sure. Should someone go to jail for this. Sure. Is todays UK prison system the same as Russias Gulag? No.

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Post by david2ndaccount »

MrDresden wrote: post #414
cglace wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

> The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. There is nothing in the parent post to even hint that they are saying that the US is to blame for what happened. The US cannot be trusted to fulfill it's approved upon role in NATO if and when the push comes to shove (that damage to the US reputation is done). I wan…

Ukraine is not part of NATO, so how has push come to shove?
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