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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by dagw »

erkt wrote: post #371
joakleaf wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about the US providing more funding (especially not by a large margin): This chart shows EU outspending the US. https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-huma... .

That is Europe vs the US. Europe has almost 800million people, US less than 350million. On a per capital basis the average American has outspent the average European by a significant margin.

EU != Europe. EU has a population of just under 450 million. To get even close to an 800 million number you have to include all of both Russian and all the former Soviet states, which in this scenario would be rather misleading, given the geopolitics of the events under discussion.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by strictnein »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

Germany will buy its F-35s. Poland will start taking delivery of its HIMARS from the US starting next year and will continue to order US hardware. As part of the deals that Poland and Germany signed, they will be ramping up local production to support the systems they are buying.

One thing you're missing in lots of your predictions is that Ukraine had no US military presence. Poland does. There's 10k US troops in Poland right now. There's zero chance other European countries will be closing US military bases with the looming threat from Russia.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by kunley »

merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

Sad reality, from the pov of their neighbors, is that russian regime change wouldn't really change much on their side.

As much as it is incomprehensible for America, there are societies that do not value freedom from the very bottom to the very top - and Russia is one of them

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by secondary_op »

aerique wrote: post #385
telesilla wrote: post #35

The 2022 documentary 'Navalny' is important and explains how the anti-corruption campaigner got to that terrible place, being poisoned with a Novichok nerve agent and still deciding to go back to Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navalny_(film) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF_HsKCWEHw (trailer)

I never understood why he went back to Russia.

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by stephenitis »

secondary_op wrote: post #386
apienx wrote: post #325

“Life makes no sense if you have to tolerate endless lies. I will never accept this system, which is built on lies[..]” — Alexei Navalny Alexei believed in doing what’s right, not what’s easy. In his honour, let’s all do our part to help the truth prevail.

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Your comment sounds disingenuous.

Talking about alternative ideas is the start. Arguably the most dangerous part.

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Post by sekai »

lm28469 wrote: post #68
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

> I would have never believed all this just a few years ago, how it will go down. The writing is on the wall for a while now, the only problem is that people talking about it are promptly labeled as not worthy of being listened to

> The writing is on the wall for a while now, the only problem is that people talking about it are promptly labeled as not worthy of being listened

Exactly, did people forget Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014? Let's not be naive here.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by pier25 »

profunctor wrote: post #6
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #4

Unbelievable. The world just watches.

What do you want to world to do? Russia is already under increasingly crippling sanctions and many countries are funding + arming its opponent in a war.

What crippling sanctions?

It's business as usual in Russia.

The Moscow malls are full of people.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by schumpeter »

cglace wrote: post #338
Thaxll wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US funds their own economy, most of the money they send goes back to the US economy because they produce the weapons that Ukraine purchase.

And the stockpiles of artillery, long-range munitions, armor, ammo, guns, etc sent? The US really can't win. If we didn't support Ukraine we would be blasted. If we do it's because we are just trying to enrich ourselves.

Because the only winning move it not to play. This is Europe's war. Not sure why the US is involved at all. It's not like Ukraine has oil or a NATO partner.
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