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Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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Post by bonch »

kamaal wrote: post #17

>>There's work and there's your life's work. Sure there is, that is why we choose to do it for a price that makes our life rewarding and deserving of such work. Talking of work and no rewards and compensation is not very impressive these days. >>The kind of work that has your fingerprints all over it. Yes that is why commits to source code repos exists. So that users who make them are traceable. Nearly every Open sou…

Is HN getting visited by Slashdot posters or something? You're actually non-ironically comparing Apple employees to the slaves who built the pyramids?

I get that you HATE Apple and need to write it down whenever you see anything that reminds you of how proud they are of their work, but this is ridiculous.

Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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Post by Retric »

vijayr wrote: post #98
josteink wrote: post #14

So like... A company bragging about itself in a way to make employees work more without asking to get paid for it? Can't say I've seen anything like that before. How original this makes Apple! Back to real life: every company claims to be best, unique or something like that. Some hollow, BS claim to motivate their employees. But just because they print it on a poster doesn't make it any more real. Apple is heartless…

This kind of poster makes some sense - if the company is working on a drug for cancer or eradicating world poverty etc. It might make some sense if the organization is a non-profit, saving lives. "sacrifice your weekend for" - makes zero sense, for a corporation whose primary (only??) motive is to make money. Also notice the choice of words "sacrifice" - not "spend" or "use" etc. The first thought that comes to my he…

Value creation is somewhat orthogonal to motives. Monsanto is generally considered evil, they also help feed a large chunk of the worlds population.

Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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Post by tzs »

SwellJoe wrote: post #18
josteink wrote: post #14

So like... A company bragging about itself in a way to make employees work more without asking to get paid for it? Can't say I've seen anything like that before. How original this makes Apple! Back to real life: every company claims to be best, unique or something like that. Some hollow, BS claim to motivate their employees. But just because they print it on a poster doesn't make it any more real. Apple is heartless…

I'd go further, and say that Apple is significantly worse than many other corporations in our industry, in terms of how they treat their people, how they treat their customers, and how they view the world and the ecosystem in which they operate. When Apple has power, they abuse it. When they don't have power, they fight tooth and nail to obtain it, while playing the underdog card. And, there are corporations in our i…

> I'd go further, and say that Apple is significantly worse than many other corporations in our industry, in terms of how they treat their people, how they treat their customers

If they treat their customers so badly, how come they consistently rate at or near the top in customer satisfaction surveys?

Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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Post by rcfox »

tzs wrote: post #103
SwellJoe wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd go further, and say that Apple is significantly worse than many other corporations in our industry, in terms of how they treat their people, how they treat their customers, and how they view the world and the ecosystem in which they operate. When Apple has power, they abuse it. When they don't have power, they fight tooth and nail to obtain it, while playing the underdog card. And, there are corporations in our i…

> I'd go further, and say that Apple is significantly worse than many other corporations in our industry, in terms of how they treat their people, how they treat their customers If they treat their customers so badly, how come they consistently rate at or near the top in customer satisfaction surveys?

The obvious answer is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

However, it's more likely that the customers weigh things differently than we do. They'd rather have something shiny and popular.

Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

#105

Post by siculars »

Zr40 wrote: post #43
siculars wrote: post #13

"... sacrifice a weekend ..." Is that so? Ya, I don't think so. Show me the money.

It's about the work you would sacrifice a weekend for, not about sacrificing weekends.

I read it differently. To me it reads as though they want you to gladly give them more of your only finite resource. If it were as you suggest, there are better ways to say so. Words mater.

Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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Post by jopt »

rcfox wrote: post #104
tzs wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd go further, and say that Apple is significantly worse than many other corporations in our industry, in terms of how they treat their people, how they treat their customers If they treat their customers so badly, how come they consistently rate at or near the top in customer satisfaction surveys?

The obvious answer is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome However, it's more likely that the customers weigh things differently than we do. They'd rather have something shiny and popular.

Rather than what? Windows update?

Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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Post by adestefan »

rcfox wrote: post #104
tzs wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd go further, and say that Apple is significantly worse than many other corporations in our industry, in terms of how they treat their people, how they treat their customers If they treat their customers so badly, how come they consistently rate at or near the top in customer satisfaction surveys?

The obvious answer is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome However, it's more likely that the customers weigh things differently than we do. They'd rather have something shiny and popular.

Or they just want broken stuff fixed. Twice I've had things fixed at the local Apple store with no questions asked, no BS script that they had to walk through, no blaming me. It was just 5 minutes of, "Yup that doesn't work correctly" followed by "Here's a new machine."

Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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Post by adestefan »

maeon3 wrote: post #33

Man, every post I'm reading is negative, it's just a motivational poster, I liked it. You only have on life, give it 100%. Whatever you are doing, do it like you only have one day left to do it with. I'm disappointed that HN would blow out of proportion the one cloud on the beautiful day.

If this was from a YC company, then everyone would be praising on and on about how this would only happen at a startup and how no megacorp would ever do something like this.

Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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Post by lionelhutz1 »

Ah, the smell of do-gooders in the morning.

One day you all will learn that there is no shortage of people who think they deserve the fruits of your labor, through no work of their own. They will not give you the option of supporting the needy voluntarily, through charity. They will seize your money, by force, by a willing government eager to buy their votes with the sweat of your hard work. Once you eek out a successful living where you actually pay real taxes, you will begin to grow frustrated with the lack of control that you will have with your own money. But even if you don't. Who the hell do you think you are to tell me that my money, which I work for, belongs to someone else? Its quite ironic and hypocritical to say that wanting to keep one's own money is greed, but wanting to take someone else's money by force is justice.

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