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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by r0ckarong »

banku_brougham wrote: post #268

Does anyone know why NATO/US never gave Ukraine what they were asking for! jets, Anti-air systems, ATACMs, etc?

Because this whole shit is just another cold war meant to drive the interest of power on both sides. The west got justification to jack up prices on everything in the name of "energy crisis because we need to do the right thing" and the East can expand their power and nationalize western businesses in the name of "sanctions" that happen to be relabeled and still run profitably through shell companies. It's all just another big squeeze to wring some more out of the normal folk.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by mschuster91 »

kemotep wrote: post #147
lordfrito wrote: post #105

If you believe the western media, the west no longer believes in or upholds its values, and watches while Russia pushes westward while China builds up a military and eyes Taiwan, both more than happy to destabilize the middle east in pursuit of their goals. The west needs to wake up, we're slowly sliding towards a world conflict. This is going to get worse before it gets better. Edit: Russia is pushing westward not e…

How do you propose the west avoids conflict with Russia and China? Is there any examples in history of appeasement leading to less bloodshed?

> How do you propose the west avoids conflict with Russia and China?

There's a lot of things the West can do without throwing nukes at the problem:

- arming ourselves and our allies (especially Taiwan) to the teeth

- supporting exiled and in-country opposition

- intervening against hostile operations (such as "police stations") on our own soil

- strengthen links with "global south" countries to minimize Chinese/Russian influence on them, support local rebels against regimes that have already fallen towards Russia/China.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by mihaaly »

banku_brougham wrote: post #268

Does anyone know why NATO/US never gave Ukraine what they were asking for! jets, Anti-air systems, ATACMs, etc?

Trying to postpone a direct conflict with Russia perhaps? Attempting some Chamberlainian achievement in preserving peace against a ruthless and untrustworty agressor? Hopeless efforts of course but the stakes and anticipated damages are quite high actually for being not too eager escalating.

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Post by jncfhnb »

merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

There are more oppositional figures, they’re simply barred from entry because it’s not a real democracy.

Russia is not gaining noteworthy traction. Avdiivka is a tiny pointless place aside from the fact that Russia is willing to impale itself at horrible odds to achieve any victory it can for optics.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by yolo3000 »

SXX wrote: post #83
profunctor wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you want to world to do? Russia is already under increasingly crippling sanctions and many countries are funding + arming its opponent in a war.

> What do you want to world to do? Support Ukraine more. Support refugees from Russia. Enact personal sanctions against 6000 war-enablers that Navalny team prepared: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6000_List And their families and kids who all keep their money in US, UK and EU.

Refugees from Russia? They are free to travel to many countries, there are plenty of Russian expats in Europe, who also happen to support Putin

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by cglace »

Thaxll wrote: post #329
cglace wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

The US funds their own economy, most of the money they send goes back to the US economy because they produce the weapons that Ukraine purchase.

And the stockpiles of artillery, long-range munitions, armor, ammo, guns, etc sent?

The US really can't win. If we didn't support Ukraine we would be blasted. If we do it's because we are just trying to enrich ourselves.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by hef19898 »

prmph wrote: post #294
hef19898 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The upcoming 2024 election cycle will be one for the history books, regardless of outcome. And that outcome can be incredibly bad. I said it before, if Trump gets a second term, he will have a third. And then democracy as we know it in the Western world will be dead.

And about half of the West will be OK with that. Interesting times we live in.

If you really drill down the numbers, there are the cibstant 25% or so actively supporting it, regardless of country, with enough others tagging along passively to get the 25% dangerously close to actual power.

Interesting times indeed.

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Post by User3456335 »

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #56

The brave denizens of the Internet love to ridicule Russians for their learned helplessness, calling them weak, docile, etc. Well, here's another example of the thing that most of those who grew up in that culture know or feel subliminally: the hero always crushes evil and triumphs at the end of the story. But in real life, for every success there are thousands that wither along the way.

You can learn a lot of that from reading Dostoyevski. At least, from what I have read so far. It's painful to read (injustice, pessimism, disappointment) so I haven't gotten very far yet but it feels more honest.
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