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Alexei Navalny has died

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Solid propaganda piece with the recent interview, now a popular opponent eliminated after long sadistic power play. Putin's Russia is consistently moving ahead, they don't seem to be losing at all.

Russia just hit 400K casualties since their invasion of Ukraine, I wouldn't call that "not losing at all".

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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I don't understand why he went back to Russia --- on principle, maybe? Regardless, it wasn't worth it. He could and should have stayed in the West and pumped out anti-regime content: he would have achieved much more. Rest in peace.

GRU threatened his family. He did that to save them.

Can’t be that, his wife went back with him to Russia and stayed there afterwards. Hardly the actions of someone protecting their family.

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The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

Funding to Ukraine is even more complicated than most people realize. A massive amount of the money spent for weapons to be delivered to Ukraine is produced outside Ukraine in the US, EU etc. In cases where existing vehicles and ammunition is sent it is also an opportunity for all donors to modernize their vehicles and ammunition by replacing the donated ones with new ones.

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Yes, all the same, UK prison cells and Russian Gulag with people tortured and worked to death. There is no difference between a $10 fine for parking in the wrong spot and the death sentence. The later is just a little bit more "harsh".

I'm not sure why or what you are cherry picking here. I could easily quote pieces on how prisoners are treated in Guantanamo Bay, what happened in Abu Ghraib under American supervision or how we happily send billions of dollars to a country of which Save the Children said of the detained children "86% were beaten, 69% were strip searched, 60% spent time in solitary confinement, 68% were denied any healthcare, and 58%…

> you are cherry picking here

You are using logical fallacies to make a point. The UK does not set out to kill political prisoners in it's prison system. It hasn't done since at least the 80s (depending on your view of the 6 counties)

> we happily send billions of dollars to a country

who are a different sovereignty, outside of our control.

Realpolitik here. The world is unsavoury, The "West" wages war, just like russia, china, india and empires of old. However, the crucial point here is that even the UK, doesn't routinely imprison people for political crimes, that is, having an opposing view of the present government. There are, for the moment freedoms and rights that we enjoy.

Lord know it's trying (see protest laws) but the difference in outcome is stark. I can freely say that Sunak is a total failure, a posh wanker who has made things worse for the populace. At no point will that comment land me in jail. If I stand for office and say the same thing, I will not end up dead two years later.

Your viewpoint that the UK is just as "morally free" as russia, really doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, you can support the end of USA hegemony, but that doesn't mean that Russia is a bastion of freedom.

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Listen to internal speeches by Putin or Xi, they are often available on YouTube. We are not slowly sliding towards a world conflict, it has already begun and we are hopeless to stop it. It is arrogant to ignore or dismiss the happenings. Things were set in motion years ago and they are slowly unraveling. When the West rejected Russia's deeper integration into its structures after the Cold War ended and expanded NATO…

What deeper integration would that have been? Geniunely curious, I don't see what could have worked once the oligarchs were minted. They only care about selling simple low-effort stuff, easily corrupted, like oil.

We talk a lot about economic integration but we rarely talk about cultural integration. imo part of what will keep us safe in the future is cultural integration. We have multiple generations of families established across many borders now. With enough of that, the appetite for world war in theory might be decreased. I don't know the answer here, but I do feel we don't think about cultural integration as a national security asset often, and it probably could be.

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post #144

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The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

Not sure about the US providing more funding (especially not by a large margin): This chart shows EU outspending the US. https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-huma... .

We’re talking about the military portion on that page.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Russia really is not to be feared. The Ukraine war is a tragedy and I hope it ends soon. But they have no economical & military power to really do any harm the Europe & the US. Putin makes a lot of noise but really can't even win a few km's in Ukraine. But the real threat is further east. China is slowly building it's empire, and it's a scary one. Taking over parts of Africa. Migrating it's people. Integrating it's t…

As soon as the Ukraine war comes to a standstill, Russia will start riots in the Baltics to create a land connection to Kaliningrad.

How exactly will Russia start "riots" in NATO countries?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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I'm fairly certain he knew this, but did it anyways. If anything, it'll make him a martyr who died in their home country, still fighting, rather than someone who is trying to run away and fueling the opponent's arguments. Still sucks it had to come to this. But I agree, this wasn't the unexpected outcome.

Unfortunately, a martyr in Western countries only. I doubt his death will be discussed in Russian's media.

It is already being discussed. Also Russian media is not limited to state media.
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