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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by jacquesm »

ed_balls wrote: post #16
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything we can.

There isn't much more we can do. NATO could end Russia with more weapons and making a defence deal with Saudis in exchange for price dumping of oil and gas[1]. But no one wants a nuclear state to fail. Moscow must be terrified of another coup d'etat, hence Navalny's death. [1]extracting, insurance and delivery cost for Saudis are about $17 and for Russia it maybe as high as $40 now.

Russia has already failed. The mob controls the nukes, that's the only reason why they managed to get as far as they did in Ukraine. If not for that it would have been long over.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by SXX »

profunctor wrote: post #6
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #4

Unbelievable. The world just watches.

What do you want to world to do? Russia is already under increasingly crippling sanctions and many countries are funding + arming its opponent in a war.

> What do you want to world to do?

Support Ukraine more.

Support refugees from Russia.

Enact personal sanctions against 6000 war-enablers that Navalny team prepared:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6000_List

And their families and kids who all keep their money in US, UK and EU.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by dindobre »

aubanel wrote: post #25
belter wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Systematically calling russian people Orcs is the worst dehumanising things to do IMO. I have nothing to do with that conflict but I don't like how confident some people are that they're on the side of the Good, thus that they could do whatever to their opponents. (Cf Kasparov who wanted to nuke Russia at the beginning of the war)

The most dehumanizing thing would be to compile all the material that shows what atrocities russians have carried out in Ukraine and show it in Western schools during history classes, would pretty much guarantee nobody wanting anything to do with russians for each generation that is shown the material. And this is ignoring all precedent russian history.

It's very easy to look at what's happening from afar and call the term "orc" dehumanizing, and yes I share the opinion that being too confident in being on the good side is wrong, but we must also not fall into moral relativism were we see a horde of barbarians blackmailing the world with nuclear weapons and we are worried about using the term orc.

Humans are born with equal rights (at least in some countries) but aren't equal in capacity, character, judgment, and so on.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

jacquesm wrote: post #73
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to think of any military intervention in the last 60 years by US and their friends that left the region or country in a better state, Asia, South-America, Africa, Middle-east it all became big mess. Arguable some of that mess was by design, but not all. Russia is not something anyone can solve from the outside; they have to figure it out themselves. Same for the Europe & the US, there are enough things to f…

There are other ways short of military intervention that can be quite effective.

Like what? Boycots are in place, what remains? CIA mingling? Taking Putin out? Any of those things are hard to predict and allow you to confidently steer the country in a right direction. There arguably a lot of places, for instance South America & Iran, where those action were taken and only made things worse.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by GartzenDeHaes »

Clubber wrote: post #38

People calling for the US to do more against Russia, be careful what you wish for. You have no idea how close the US is to a draft. The US has been woefully low at filling military recruiting quotas. Keep in mind both presidents during WWI and WWII campaigned to keep us out of those wars. Any major conflict like that will most certainly require a draft. Better keep your saber rattling to a minimum. Though the percent…

The people behind this propaganda are pushing for privatization, not a draft. The US Army is dramatically downsizing its uniformed troop strength at the same time its budget is dramatically increasing.

"Under end strength levels outlined in the annual defense authorization bill passed by the Senate Wednesday evening and expected to be passed by the House on Thursday, the total number of active-duty troops in the armed forces will drop to 1,284,500 in fiscal 2024. That’s down nearly 64,000 personnel in the last three years and the smallest total for America’s military since 1940, before the United States’ entry into World War II."

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2023/12...

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by lukasm »

belter wrote: post #34

A little reminder of what Putin has been up to in the last few years. - Annexation of Crimea (2014) - MH17 Downing (2014) - Intervention in Syria - 2016 U.S. Election Interference - Skripal Poisoning (2018) - Anti-LGBTQ+ Laws - Navalny Poisoning (2020) - Wagner Group Activities - Invasion of Ukraine (2022) - Killing of Yevgeny Prigozhin (2023) - Killing of Alexei Navalny (2024) What is necessary for US and European L…

- Litvinenko

- blowing up ammo storage in Czech Rep.

- Beslan school siege

- Keystone Pipeline and Freeport LNG fire

- electricity and internet cable sabotage

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by timeon »

lm28469 wrote: post #71
timeon wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior Also slowly folding. It is not happening only in little countries like Slovakia. US has relevant party that is now openly pro-Putin.

> Also slowly folding. It is not happening only in little countries like Slovakia. I assume you don't know much about Slovakia besides the few headlines that pop here and there, right ?

I have mentioned Slovakia because conspiracy theories are mainstream there. Ministry of culture is ruled by one of those medias.

I have mentioned Slovakia because I constantly hear about 'US bad Russia Good' there.

I mentioned Slovakia because that is my home country.

So tell me why would you assume my lack of knowledge?

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