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Orgzly Revived: a community-maintained version of Orgzly

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Re: Orgzly Revived: a community-maintained version of Orgzly

#11

Post by raffraffraff »

How does it compare to other note taking apps like Obsidian, Notion, Joplin etc?

I used Joplin for about a year and ended up taking a lot of notes. But after a year it was so full of garbage that I found it increasingly difficult to keep things tagged, clearing my "inbox" of quickly taken notes. And it ended up looking like my work email inbox.

The catalyst for giving it up was a subtle policy change at work that made me worry about using a personal note taking app with sync to my personal cloud service. I decided to fork my notes into work and personal. Midway through, I just stopped taking long lived notes entirely. I now have one less chore to do.

The same thing happened with my RemMarkable 2. in fact I tired of the RM2 in a much shorter time because it was such a nightmare to sync, search handwritten text etc etc. Pity, because regular note taking apps suck at drawing and diagramming.

Sure, I will forget stuff, but whatever. Most people forget stuff.

Perhaps it's time to revive Joplin and use that Zen-thingemy that was on HN today, the AI tool that gulps your notes and browser history and provides a summariser / searcher? Perhaps that's the only way to take the pain out of note taking apps?

Re: Orgzly Revived: a community-maintained version of Orgzly

#12

Post by globular-toast »

pachico wrote: post #7

Honest question, how does this compare to Google Keep?

Doesn't share your notes with Google for one. Uses a plain text file to store your notes. Org-mode itself is in a different league when it comes to note taking and organisation.

Re: Orgzly Revived: a community-maintained version of Orgzly

#13

Post by wadim »

colordrops wrote: post #6

I used orgzly+syncthing for a while but the overhead of manually resolving conflicts between my laptop and phone were not worth it in the end. I'd consider using it again if a sync protocol or some other mechanism of merging changes across multiple computers is added.

It helps a lot if you have a third machine, which runs 24/7. Haven't had any sync conflicts in ages.

Re: Orgzly Revived: a community-maintained version of Orgzly

#14

Post by dietr1ch »

wadim wrote: post #13
colordrops wrote: post #6

I used orgzly+syncthing for a while but the overhead of manually resolving conflicts between my laptop and phone were not worth it in the end. I'd consider using it again if a sync protocol or some other mechanism of merging changes across multiple computers is added.

It helps a lot if you have a third machine, which runs 24/7. Haven't had any sync conflicts in ages.

Same, added an always-on Raspberry pi + zerotier to the mix and got rid of the sync issues between my phone, laptop and workstation all at once.

I wish there was something to make some sort of CRDT for modeling org though. I feel that the operation that ended up causing text conflicts in the past had obvious resolutions with the right structure and Metadata, but yeah, resorting to having a peer always on gets around it more easily that writing my own thing and deviating from emacs and orgzly

Re: Orgzly Revived: a community-maintained version of Orgzly

#15

Post by kkfx »

raffraffraff wrote: post #11

How does it compare to other note taking apps like Obsidian, Notion, Joplin etc? I used Joplin for about a year and ended up taking a lot of notes. But after a year it was so full of garbage that I found it increasingly difficult to keep things tagged, clearing my "inbox" of quickly taken notes. And it ended up looking like my work email inbox. The catalyst for giving it up was a subtle policy change at work that mad…

It's an org-mode limited editor, to have org-mode outside Emacs. Compared to MarkDown and "modern note apps" using it it's like a starship (org-mode) against a bike (MD and modern apps), but Orgzly is limited by the OS/input mode of so it's barely usable.

If you want to take notes seriously you need a desktop.

Re: Orgzly Revived: a community-maintained version of Orgzly

#16

Post by yewenjie »

I really really need a mobile app for org-mode that syncs without pain (yes, I am aware of Orgzly + Syncthing, I am using it, but it still is not as smooth as I want it to be, and has too many annoyances).

I simply cannot imagine leaving the comfort of org-mode for something inferior like markdown, even though there are cool plugins in the Obsidian ecosystem.

Question if you are an Obsidian user - what are your most important plugins?

Re: Orgzly Revived: a community-maintained version of Orgzly

#17

Post by crossroadsguy »

raffraffraff wrote: post #11

How does it compare to other note taking apps like Obsidian, Notion, Joplin etc? I used Joplin for about a year and ended up taking a lot of notes. But after a year it was so full of garbage that I found it increasingly difficult to keep things tagged, clearing my "inbox" of quickly taken notes. And it ended up looking like my work email inbox. The catalyst for giving it up was a subtle policy change at work that mad…

After trying so many kinds of note taking apps. I finally keep coming back one that at max supports Markdown (actually I don't need it, but I can tolerate it) and handles plain text files and give me direct access to those plain text files.

> clearing my "inbox" of quickly taken notes

I always have a note pinned on top called "Clipboard". Sometimes I name it "Snippets". Earlier I used to call it "Jottings".

Re: Orgzly Revived: a community-maintained version of Orgzly

#18

Post by regularfry »

dietr1ch wrote: post #14
wadim wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It helps a lot if you have a third machine, which runs 24/7. Haven't had any sync conflicts in ages.

Same, added an always-on Raspberry pi + zerotier to the mix and got rid of the sync issues between my phone, laptop and workstation all at once. I wish there was something to make some sort of CRDT for modeling org though. I feel that the operation that ended up causing text conflicts in the past had obvious resolutions with the right structure and Metadata, but yeah, resorting to having a peer always on gets around…

Funnily enough, crdt.el exists. I've tried it for org-mode syncing and the only thing that broke it was having a Windows Emacs connected to the session. It felt like line endings weren't getting handled properly, but I got frustrated with it and gave up in favour of Emacs in a tmux window on a raspberry pi behind my monitor.

Re: Orgzly Revived: a community-maintained version of Orgzly

#19

Post by walteweiss »

szundi wrote: post #8
yogorenapan wrote: post #2

> The rebranding is due to the disappearance of the Orgzly author Internet disappearances have become more and more common since COVID times. Honestly scares me

Or since the Ukraine War

The Russian war on Ukraine is the term you were looking for.

Re: Orgzly Revived: a community-maintained version of Orgzly

#20

Post by pinsl »

yewenjie wrote: post #16

I really really need a mobile app for org-mode that syncs without pain (yes, I am aware of Orgzly + Syncthing, I am using it, but it still is not as smooth as I want it to be, and has too many annoyances). I simply cannot imagine leaving the comfort of org-mode for something inferior like markdown, even though there are cool plugins in the Obsidian ecosystem. Question if you are an Obsidian user - what are your most…

Orgro [0] is very nice but currently mostly read only [1]

[0] https://github.com/amake/orgro/

[1] https://orgro.org/faq/

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