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Or they could just not.
What's the benefit for you as a user to side with Apple on things like this?
There are lots of things that Apple could do to benefit me that aren’t reasonable.
Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
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The “low usage” comment is going to be more ammo against Apple unfortunately. The whole reason they are low usage on PWAs is because of a lack of investment from Apple and a lack of parity, yet for the longest time Apple has played both sides by saying PWAs are a viable alternative to the App Store, all while channeling people to App Store for actual app downloads and not providing similar marketing or anything for P…
how do they know low usage if there is no download from apple?
Most likely telemetry in iOS itself. iOS knows when users pin web pages to the home screen, and iOS knows each time a user taps on and opens those pinned web pages.
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Since you’re a commenter on HN I’m going to assume you’re a tech person. I’m not talking about tech people, who through their discussions try to find the correct person/company to blame for issues. I’m talking about the general public. If a story about a data breach in a 3rd party app — affecting iOS users — hits the news cycle, Apple will take the blame and their brand reputation and sales will be impacted. It doesn…
I don't see how this matters to the GP's argument. Windows was a virus hotbed for decades and that does not appear to have affected its reputation in a meaningful way.
Windows doesn’t have a reputation. It’s the default. Nobody actually likes using windows you just have to. Do you really think there are people out there asking for advertisements in their start menu?
Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
#364I am on Apples side here. I have been a macOS and iPhone user for over a decade now, but have had Android devices and I use Windows for games and work. I think what the EU has done to Apple is unfair. It is unfortunate in my opinion that they can’t just tell them to get stuffed. They have had to build probably 100-million LOCs just so EU have the right to pick their own browser, and yet Safari works just fine. In fac…
> They have had to build probably 100-million LOCs just so EU have the right to pick their own browser
haha are you serious?
Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
#365Said it before and it seems clearer every day, that we're in an era reminiscent of the 1920s with big mobs fighting it out. One of the old games back in town is protection rackets [0], digital forms of ransacking, vandalism, threats and "tax" collecting are all the rage dontchyknow. Everyone's got their "security" to give you. But it ain't your security, and it ain't compatible with noone else's. Nice app store you g…
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#366I don’t think Apple’s pettiness is gonna work in their favor. I am not in the EU but my next iPhone is almost certainly not gonna be an iPhone despite me having used a non iPhone for about 6 months in the last 15 years. Their throwing their customers under the bus just to throw a tantrum in the EU does not bode well for how they would treat their customers in other situations.
> I am not in the EU but my next iPhone is almost certainly not gonna be an iPhone despite me having used a non iPhone for about 6 months in the last 15 years.
Did you just subconsciously equate phones to iPhones in your rebuke of Apple?
Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
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I feel like this is a win for consumers - I'd much rather there remain more OS competition on mobile devices[1] but if Apple wants to pursue a business model that excludes large portions of the world from their customer base that's their decision. I don't believe there exists any maliciousness from the EU towards Apple - they do, after all, benefit greatly from corporation tax revenues from Apple and iPhones are stil…
I don't see how you can call EU having any expectation of freedom when commenting about a law which forces a company to comply to regulation. This actively reduces freedom, the freedom of running your business. You just don't care about it. If you don't like walled gardens you can just not use them (I certainly never bought anything Apple for this very reason), there's no need to infringe on the freedom of everyone e…
>This actively reduces freedom, the freedom of running your business. You just don't care about it.
In the same way Right to Repair, Minimum Wage, and Disciminatory hiring affects the freedom of running a business, sure. Unfortunately, rules are written in blood and this is happening because other businesses at this point abused the point of labor or customer satisfaction and needed to get dinged for it.
In this case, Blame Microsoft, I guess. Heck, even Google. we already know the result of a closed system abusing its platform and large share to make its product worse. I'm glad we're actually jumping into this before it's too late (like we usually do).
Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
#368I don’t think Apple’s pettiness is gonna work in their favor. I am not in the EU but my next iPhone is almost certainly not gonna be an iPhone despite me having used a non iPhone for about 6 months in the last 15 years. Their throwing their customers under the bus just to throw a tantrum in the EU does not bode well for how they would treat their customers in other situations.
Whatever they manage to eek out in the EU, is the future of what iOS will be in the US and worldwide eventually. If they go with fully fledged PWAs that the other browser engines will enable - there’s little reason to use the Appstore, hence Apple losing their 30% commission. From their perspective it’s not so much throwing a tantrum but clawing and screaming their way into giving up as little revenue as possible.
It could very easily be worth it to maintain a gimped iOS for Europe. We’re talking about a lot of money here.
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The difference is, whether or not, when iOS user clicks an icon to open an ”app”, they can be confident whether or not the app is “secured” or not. Hypothetically, without apple doing this, opening a PWA1 app can caused its data to be siphoned off by PWA2, up to isolation of the browser. Whether or not that is a legitimate enough concern is up to each individual.
I just don't understand what PWA's have to do with any of this. There is nothing that a PWA can do that a regular Chrome window would not be able to do. Apple is being force to support the latter. What's wrong with continuing to support the former? If it all boils down to "Apple users expect Apple to have control over everything, and if that expectation is violated, it will be really bad", then I'm sure EU regulators…
The Apple FAQ itself answers the second side of this.
If a browser can add PWA, they can claim they’re installing an app, and it would not be clear to a user that they have a web app, not an isolated app.
Now, none of these pseudo apps are guaranteed to be sandboxed from each other but the user cannot differentiate between apps that do provide security.
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> Users trust Apple because Apple is ultimately accountable for security breaches on iOS devices. As a long time user of Windows which historically had an incomparably large amount of security incidents, I can assure you that Apple won't get blamed that much for 3rd party data breach unless it involves Apple's own service and user data.
What was the last 3rd party breach Apple took the blame for?
Fappening. Apple took all of the blame and then we got mandatory MFA. The logjc works even if it’s the own users fault for getting scammed.