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Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

deminature wrote: post #224
amelius wrote: post #41

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Yes, that's the way I feel too. I learned to program on an Apple ][ that I loved, before Jobs started his nefarious business practices. Woz's Apple was cool. Jobs' Apple makes me feel like they want to enslave developers, or at least milk them to the last drop.

It's only turned really cynical under Cook, chargers no longer included, cables sold separately from chargers to nickel and dime customers, refusal to adopt standards like USB-C unless threatened in court, refusing to pay patent license fee for blood O2 monitoring on the Apple Watch and trying to scalp all the talent from the company instead, anti-competitive behavior in the EU. Jobs version of Apple was pretty benig…

HN will call all that as "innovation"

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Post by jeremyjh »

veeti wrote: post #154
jeremyjh wrote: post #88

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They are not saying it is impossible, only that they have not done it. How long do you think it will take to spin up such a review and certification program? How much will it cost, and how many sales will they lose because of the lack of this feature in the EU?

There will already be a review and certification program for third party browsers that want the required entitlements ( https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engi... ), so why don't you ask Apple?

Because I read their statement, which makes it pretty clear that there are additional security considerations beyond what is needed for a browser application.

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Post by Symbiote »

SigmundA wrote: post #238
rchaud wrote: post #225

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Android handles this just fine. These are the world's largest corporations we're talking about, not some mom and pop shop that will be crushed under the heel of overzealous regulation.

So Android allows alternative rendering engines besides Chrome for PWA? If you install Firefox it uses Gecko but still has native app look feel? I honestly don't know but would be surprised if they did.

Installing a PWA on Firefox for Android adds the icon to the homescreen with a tiny Firefox icon at the bottom. The look and feel is Android, there's no obvious bits that would look either Firefox or Chrome.

https://web.dev/learn/pwa/tools-and-debug#using_physical_dev... at "Firefox Remote Debugging" says there's a way to debug Firefox for Android PWAs.

So I'm fairly sure the PWA is running using Firefox for Android.

I also never accepted the terms and conditions for Chrome on this phone.

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Post by thimp »

red369 wrote: post #244
thimp wrote: post #173

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One of them was going to buy a new phone because it took a long time to charge. This was because she had a crap charger and crap cable. I am unsure if they are potatoes or not but I suspect they might be :)

I don't necessarily think it applies in your example, but I've heard some very silly reasons given by people as their reason for upgrading. I think a lot of the time people give an excuse, or perhaps even a justification to themselves, when they really just want the excitement of new phone. I often catch myself inventing reasons why I should replace my perfectly fine phone.

No it was 6 months old and she doesn't care about it or phones. She thought it was broken. I charged it with my powerbank, an anker PD one and she ordered a proper charger off amazon. I gave her my spare USB-C cable. It was seen as a potential financial inconvenience having to do anything about it as well.

Literally many people do not care enough to understand it. It's just a modern necessity, a tool.

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Post by teki_one »

SigmundA wrote: post #238
rchaud wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android handles this just fine. These are the world's largest corporations we're talking about, not some mom and pop shop that will be crushed under the heel of overzealous regulation.

So Android allows alternative rendering engines besides Chrome for PWA? If you install Firefox it uses Gecko but still has native app look feel? I honestly don't know but would be surprised if they did.

I think Android already allowed that 7+ years ago: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/10/progressive-web-apps-firef...

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Post by montagg »

toyg wrote: post #19
addicted wrote: post #5

I don’t think Apple’s pettiness is gonna work in their favor. I am not in the EU but my next iPhone is almost certainly not gonna be an iPhone despite me having used a non iPhone for about 6 months in the last 15 years. Their throwing their customers under the bus just to throw a tantrum in the EU does not bode well for how they would treat their customers in other situations.

They're desperately hoping that their fanbois will howl so much, that MEPs will relent.

I don't understand. How do you see disabling a feature that few people use leading to riling people up so the EU reverse itself?

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Post by deminature »

pb7 wrote: post #144
gear54rus wrote: post #37

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They ain't never been cool. The shit practices they are trying to defend were there from day 1 and are baked into their DNA. Treating their users like stupid animals that don't know what's good for them is what they do. And they will fight tooth and nail to continue to do it. Even as EU tries to kick their predatory ways out of them. To think there's a hardware thing in 2024 that does not allow its owner to compile a…

Most users are stupid though. Reminder that a US congressman once grilled Google's CEO about whether Google was tracking his iPhone's precise location. And this one was smart enough to con his way into Congress. "I have an iPhone, and if I move from here and go over there and sit with my Democrat friends, which would make them real nervous, does Google track my movement?" -- Ted Poe https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/g…

Google does track your movement with alarming levels of detail, just not to that level of granularity. https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6258979?hl=en&co=GENI...

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Post by Symbiote »

leifross wrote: post #211
hardcopy wrote: post #83

Sigh. This is a huge headache for me. https://lemmy.world/post/12001569 (I develop https://github.com/aeharding/voyager )

I feel you, I am the sole developer of https://ember.ly Certainly feels great to have your livelyhood kicked to the curb by some rich american megacorporation throwing a tantrum. The worst part is that probably 40 percent of the development time has been trying to wrangle my way around weird rendering quirks in safari, never again. My next site will have a banner suggesting safari users open the site in firefox..

As a Norwegian / Norwegian company, is there even any politician you can write to?
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