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Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Or they could just not.

What's the benefit for you as a user to side with Apple on things like this?

Apple has a decade+ track record of making devices that i really like. (At several points I’ve compared solutions across the market).

Instead of siding with Apple, why would I side with anonymous and random internet commentators who have never made devices I want to buy?

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Since the article doesn't actually repeat what Apple has said, here's what Apple says: == Begin quote == The iOS system has traditionally provided support for Home Screen web apps by building directly on WebKit and its security architecture. That integration means Home Screen web apps are managed to align with the security and privacy model for native apps on iOS, including isolation of storage and enforcement of sys…

Without this type of isolation and enforcement, malicious... camera, microphone or location ... Browsers ... 30 some million lines of code in chromium browsers. Thats bigger than the linux kernel. The HN crowed might not LIKE apples response but they have a very defensible position. Edit: Its not like we haven't seen this play out on the desktop recently: https://www.theverge.com/24054329/microsoft-edge-automatic-c..…

As an end user who has been fucked over by the other side (MS/Google/crappy app vendors), I am behind their decision.

If I was not I can choose to leave.

I know this is a divisive comment. Please see my further extrapolation in a child comment.

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

#93
Said it before and it seems clearer every day, that we're in an era reminiscent of the 1920s with big mobs fighting it out. One of the old games back in town is protection rackets [0], digital forms of ransacking, vandalism, threats and "tax" collecting are all the rage dontchyknow.

Everyone's got their "security" to give you. But it ain't your security, and it ain't compatible with noone else's.

Nice app store you got here. Shame if anything might 'appen to it!

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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post #59

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Or they could just not.

They could develop APIs to support alternate browser engines but could not allow them to install sandboxed web apps on the system? Like all other OSes do, including macOS? How surprising.

Are not some of the changes in the EU so that people won’t have to rely on Apple’s APIs?

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they could just not.

What's the benefit for you as a user to side with Apple on things like this?

Please drop the tribalistic vitriol and be an adult about this. The statement is “or they could not”. It’s factual. It’s what Apple did. It’s not a religious stance.

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without this type of isolation and enforcement, malicious... camera, microphone or location ... Browsers ... 30 some million lines of code in chromium browsers. Thats bigger than the linux kernel. The HN crowed might not LIKE apples response but they have a very defensible position. Edit: Its not like we haven't seen this play out on the desktop recently: https://www.theverge.com/24054329/microsoft-edge-automatic-c..…

Why should we trust Apple for security in that context? Apple also provides all those functionalities via their proprietary API, which is not even audit-able. If Apple really believes in that argument, they should disable their own API as well.

Apple’s business model excludes Clickjacking, stealing personal Information, stealing passwords, commissions from redirects, commissions from gambling sites redirects. Those in that business use browser plugins to get inside your security boundary so your argument maybe over my head or baby bath water thing

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without this type of isolation and enforcement, malicious... camera, microphone or location ... Browsers ... 30 some million lines of code in chromium browsers. Thats bigger than the linux kernel. The HN crowed might not LIKE apples response but they have a very defensible position. Edit: Its not like we haven't seen this play out on the desktop recently: https://www.theverge.com/24054329/microsoft-edge-automatic-c..…

As an end user who has been fucked over by the other side (MS/Google/crappy app vendors), I am behind their decision. If I was not I can choose to leave. I know this is a divisive comment. Please see my further extrapolation in a child comment.

How does removing web apps help anything? To me it seems like part of a ploy to create backlash against this law by removing features

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they could just not.

What's the benefit for you as a user to side with Apple on things like this?

Pretty simple: I like the way Apple does most things. I'm rarely disappointed by the culmination of all of their decisions. I'm frequently disappointed with how other companies do things therefore I don't want their disease to spread to things I'm perfectly content with.

Re: Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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Since the article doesn't actually repeat what Apple has said, here's what Apple says: == Begin quote == The iOS system has traditionally provided support for Home Screen web apps by building directly on WebKit and its security architecture. That integration means Home Screen web apps are managed to align with the security and privacy model for native apps on iOS, including isolation of storage and enforcement of sys…

> Addressing the complex security and privacy concerns associated with web apps using alternative browser engines would require building an entirely new integration architecture Translation from Apple talk to real talk: allowing competing browser engines will undermine our grip on the market through lock-in to the engine we fully control. We don't want to lose power. As control freaks, we'll do all we can to sabotage…

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