Oh Larry, never change. I often give a similar list as a glib answer in interviews when asked "what are your greatest strengths?" Mine are usually: I'm stupid (not smart enough to overcomplicate), lazy (prefer turning MVP in on time rather than adding too many bells and whistles), and forgetful (document everything because I won't remember what I was doing the next day).
What is your biggest weakness: "I work too hard" -- humblebrag
Three virtues of a great programmer
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Re: Three virtues of a great programmer
#52Oh Larry, never change. I often give a similar list as a glib answer in interviews when asked "what are your greatest strengths?" Mine are usually: I'm stupid (not smart enough to overcomplicate), lazy (prefer turning MVP in on time rather than adding too many bells and whistles), and forgetful (document everything because I won't remember what I was doing the next day).
(I've worked (and interviewed) as a programmer at VC backed startups and FAANG in SF and NYC over the past 12 years)
Re: Three virtues of a great programmer
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you learn programming, you are told to never roll your own crypto, or to always use the ready-made libraries, or to avoid manual memory management - and you can have a perfectly fruitful career following rules like that. But you don't get big changes or ambitious intellectual growth without spotting that - if you did choose to break those sorts of rules - you could build something really new and exciting. Anyhow…
> When you learn programming, you are told to never roll your own crypto, or to always use the ready-made libraries, or to avoid manual memory management I've always taken this sort of advice, such as "never reinvent the wheel" to mean "inventing the wheel is time consuming so give yourself an advantage by using already existing wheels", which really has nothing to do with hubris. I never took it as "Don't bother try…
If you want to build a car however, focus on building the car and not creating a new kind of wheel.
Re: Three virtues of a great programmer
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#55I would say that the character arc of Perl, and the profession generally, leads me to this observation: laziness and impatience are virtues. Be careful with hubris.
Re: Three virtues of a great programmer
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone currently recovering from burnout, that is indeed my greatest weakness, and it's anything but a brag! Working too hard means you're liable to disappear for 6+months, no sane employer should want that!
As someone who has worked hard for years (at some point I had three con-concurrent jobs), I’m not sure working hard is the variable that causes burnout :thinking_face: I will say tho, it gave me persistent back problems and RSI for two years :). But that again is not just “working hard”. It was bad posture, lack of stretching, breaks and exercise, I think. Edit: Perhaps it’s the nature of the work or working hard unh…
Re: Three virtues of a great programmer
#57If you're not familiar with Larry Wall's style this might seem a bit off putting. The first time I ever saw him speak was the 1997 first annual O'Reilly Perl conference. I remember thinking, "This guy is a jerk" while also thinking "I love this guy"
Is there any publicly available talk of Larry Wall that might evoke it today?
Re: Three virtues of a great programmer
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone currently recovering from burnout, that is indeed my greatest weakness, and it's anything but a brag! Working too hard means you're liable to disappear for 6+months, no sane employer should want that!
Do you work too hard or spend a lot of time on work? (before downvoting me, please consider that those things maybe different)
But there were others as well. Burnout is complicated.
Re: Three virtues of a great programmer
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I read hubris here as...you want to be the best, you don't want to be criticized, so you will work hard and be super motivated to make your program work very well, handling all the various edge cases, making it better than the competition.
Yes, but that is not what the word hubris means. It means pride in the seven deadly sins sense. The pride that comes before a fall. Hubris would not mean working hard to reduce the scope for criticism. It would mean not accepting valid criticism because you think you are better than the critics. He could have just used the word "pride" (which is far broader and has positive meanings too) instead. In some ways "ambiti…
In the context of "code that is going to be reviewed" maybe even "vanity" might have been closer to what he was getting at? (did you even RUN this?) Except us old neck beards obviously don't care about how WE look ;)} - just how our code reads.
I think "take pride in your work" would have substituted well; but given the options, maybe hubris was fine - he explains what he means in a couple of sentences.
Re: Three virtues of a great programmer
#60* Flexibility: being able to wriggle out of tight spots and escape when irate users seem to have you cornered
* Ingenuity: realizing that you can use syslog to send messages to your friend on another system
* Patience: remaining capable of waiting until the final sendmail bug is fixed
* Persistence: the compulsion to try just-one-more-thing to fix a problem before going home
* Adherence to Routine: insisting on real milk and sugar-in-the-raw in your coffee (which is Kona or nothing)
* Attention to Detail: noticing that the clock on one of your systems is using Aleutian time, and changing all the others to match
* Laziness: writing a 250-line Perl script to avoid typing 15 characters
I took the last one to heart and have admired those who could utilize the first one, because I never could.