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Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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dsirijus wrote: post #52
lionhearted wrote: post #50

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Historically, most innovations start expensive and as luxury goods, then the innovations are copied and diffused and become cheaper, and eventually commodities. That seems to be happening here as well.

The relatively recent Apple valuation proves irrevocably that those devices could've came in helluva cheaper than they did and are. I'm not denying the pinnacle acchievements and innovations at Apple here. I'm denying they're in it for the "computer accesibility and development of the world".

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Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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Post by crusso »

maeon3 wrote: post #33

Man, every post I'm reading is negative, it's just a motivational poster, I liked it. You only have on life, give it 100%. Whatever you are doing, do it like you only have one day left to do it with. I'm disappointed that HN would blow out of proportion the one cloud on the beautiful day.

It's thoroughly disappointing to see such anti-achievement vitriol on HN. HN is getting a bit too popular and populist, I guess. Reminds me of /.

This is a site dedicated to entrepreneurialism, why would members be throwing so much rotten fruit at one of the (if not THE) most successful entrepreneurial effort of all time. Jobs showed the world through his initial time there and then his return to save the dying company that pursuing excellence relentlessly works. Pushing against the edges of your personal envelope every day works.

It's so depressingly cynical to see inspirational words for new employees as useless self-serving platitudes.

Just as easily, you could look at those words and realize that the motivation they're trying to deliver is what has made Apple so successful.

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Post by kalleboo »

ralfd wrote: post #46
kalleboo wrote: post #44

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Where's the no payment option? Only when you set up a new iOS device? http://imgb.mp/ic5.jpg

Ok, I googled… This support doc details how to do it on creating a new account: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2534 But I honestly don't know if you can change it on an existing US based account to "none". Like in the other reply I can do it in my german based iTunes account (Keine = None) http://imgur.com/c91MA.png

Ah sneaky, it only shows up if you try to buy a free app (doesn't show up if you just select "Create Account")

Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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Post by dsirijus »

crusso wrote: post #62
maeon3 wrote: post #33

Man, every post I'm reading is negative, it's just a motivational poster, I liked it. You only have on life, give it 100%. Whatever you are doing, do it like you only have one day left to do it with. I'm disappointed that HN would blow out of proportion the one cloud on the beautiful day.

It's thoroughly disappointing to see such anti-achievement vitriol on HN. HN is getting a bit too popular and populist, I guess. Reminds me of /. This is a site dedicated to entrepreneurialism, why would members be throwing so much rotten fruit at one of the (if not THE) most successful entrepreneurial effort of all time. Jobs showed the world through his initial time there and then his return to save the dying compa…

'Enterpreneurial' is defined as 'willing to take risks in order to make a profit.'

Yes, I've quit my nice day job to run a company on what was basically a bluff. Yes, I was literally hungry on more than one occasion. Yes, I don't have a clue how things will pan out within more than 3+ months with my company. Yet, I go on, and I'm not without an option to go back to comfort cave.

There's nothing enterpreneurial in getting hired by Apple. By definition.

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Post by saturdaysaint »

josteink wrote: post #14

So like... A company bragging about itself in a way to make employees work more without asking to get paid for it? Can't say I've seen anything like that before. How original this makes Apple! Back to real life: every company claims to be best, unique or something like that. Some hollow, BS claim to motivate their employees. But just because they print it on a poster doesn't make it any more real. Apple is heartless…

It didn't read like "bragging" to me so much as being honest about the worst parts of a job, kind of like the "for better or for worse" part of a wedding vow. Occasional unexpected work is a fact of life for roles that oversee mission critical products. It wouldn't surprise me if this was true at Apple, where small teams are responsible for products that tens of millions of people uses. If a showstopping OSX bug pops up on a Friday afternoon, do you really expect some kind of weekend skeleton crew to do the coding or should, you know, the people responsible for the relevant parts of the code come in?

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Post by robbiemitchell »

kamaal wrote: post #17

>>There's work and there's your life's work. Sure there is, that is why we choose to do it for a price that makes our life rewarding and deserving of such work. Talking of work and no rewards and compensation is not very impressive these days. >>The kind of work that has your fingerprints all over it. Yes that is why commits to source code repos exists. So that users who make them are traceable. Nearly every Open sou…

Does it mention "without compensation" or even "forced overtime" anywhere? You're assuming bad motives unnecessarily.

Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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Post by Drbble »

kamaal wrote: post #22
SwellJoe wrote: post #18

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I'd go further, and say that Apple is significantly worse than many other corporations in our industry, in terms of how they treat their people, how they treat their customers, and how they view the world and the ecosystem in which they operate. When Apple has power, they abuse it. When they don't have power, they fight tooth and nail to obtain it, while playing the underdog card. And, there are corporations in our i…

Apple was only about one thing Fulfill Steve Jobs's vision . Throughout history men who made others work for their dreams with a religious zeal and discipline always did good. Note: they did good, and not always the ones who worked for them. That is why dictatorship looks so good from the outside, because you can see the results. But internally someone somewhere is living in most miserable conditions to make things h…

Did good?

Re: Apple's inspirational note to new hires

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Post by username3 »

MaxGabriel wrote: post #10
Swizec wrote: post #7

Honest question: is it really possible to do that sort of work as a cog inside a huge corporation? I'm asking because I'm looking at very likely being gobbled up by such a large corporation ...

I think Bret Victor's experience could be a useful case study: able to propose and see implemented major interaction paradigms like interacting directly with the screen to eg swipe around on an iPhone, as opposed to pressing a button. And yet, limited by what the company actually did and moreso by the ideas he couldn't share. Edit: http://worrydream.com/#!/Apple

Bret's note to anyone in Apple: http://worrydream.com/#!/Departure
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