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Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

dylan604 wrote: post #58

Just the thought of how to prioritize things in all of the reversing is enough to make me overwhelmed. Have they talked about how they prioritize? "Asahi's most recent update blog post, published in mid-January, highlighted HDMI support, support for DRM-protected websites via Google's proprietary Widevine package, Touchbar support for the handful of Apple Silicon Macs that use one, and more." Seems odd to me that a L…

for one data point, I'd much rather have DRM supported than USB 3 support- one lets me do casual things and use my machine while I relax or do whatever, and for most USB 3 devices I can just suck it up and wait for a file transfer, or do what I normally do and work off of my NAS.

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Post by numpad0 »

HideousKojima wrote: post #55
hn8305823 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do we care? Ashai Linux is obviously a high-IQ effort and we are very fortunate they are motivated to work on this instead of something else (like ML)

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Take it with as much grains of salt as you want: IMO we're watching anime eat the world, Just like software did. Anime style audio-visual stimuli are synthetic data with human and its sexual drive in loop, now also connected with Internet mob judgement system like Twitter for a decade or so. Instagram style beauty filters and Diffusion ML models are no technical match, as their feedback loops are much longer, more constricted by ideologisms as well as by physicality.

Some platforms like TikTok and App Store had been fighting to un-realize the shift but that's only been delaying eventuality. We are already seeing increasingly beautified Tim Cook, anthropomorphized Earth, and two Chinese anime games on Apple presentations last year, there's only going to be more.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by Juicyy »

overstay8930 wrote: post #119
Sunspark wrote: post #78

Apple should embrace this if the project is in need of reference materials. Apple is a hardware company primarily, so if someone buys their hardware because it will be compatible with an OS they may like more, that's still a sale for Apple. No funds are lost, because MacOS doesn't charge for a new install on Apple hardware.

Apple does not want to be a hardware company, in fact when they sell lots of hardware their stock price goes down. If they can't charge a monthly fee for it, they're not doing it.

Only 20-25% of Apple's revenue is services. about 50% is iPhone about 8% for Mac and 8% for iPad. They're a hardware company.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by zamadatix »

blastersyndrome wrote: post #50

I thought Asahi Linux's sole developer didn't allow discussion of his project here? I remember there being quite a lot of fallout from that, what happened?

Asahi Linux has many developers, the author of this driver (Alyssa Rosenzweig) isn't even the lead developer (Hector Martin).

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by vdaea »

tux3 wrote: post #88
vdaea wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can be thankful for the work done and still think marcan acts weird and is off-putting with his "asahi" vtuber persona.

We knew you could, but you might as well not. Even if you don't see the empathy angle, who benefits from alienating people who do amazing work for free?

But I don't see it as alienating. Marcan seems an intelligent person so he knows that his vtuber persona is weird. I suppose other people noticing and commenting on it is something he likes or even encourages. It's like... people who dye their hair green, or who wear thick golden chains or teeth grills. They want the attention.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by BodyCulture »

askonomm wrote: post #85
larrik wrote: post #7

I switched to an M1 Air back at the beginning of 2021, was on Linux (desktop machine) about a decade before that. It's basically purely a work machine (software and management). The hardware is amazing. The battery life is astounding. The software, in almost every area, is inferior to my experience in Linux. The Apple parts generally worst of all (only Microsoft Office on it is worse). In the end, I'm probably 70% as…

Your list sounds more like app related things rather than OS related things to be honest. Also, contrasting your issue list with the issue list of Linux, where Wayland barely works, audio issues are constant, the whole system is so delicate that an automatic update can easily brick the OS, 10 different ways to install apps leading to no consistency at all (flatpak, snap, .tar.gz, AppImage, native binary, apt-get, sof…

You must be doing something wrong. I have zero problems with Linux updates since many years.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by gyomu »

btown wrote: post #11

One of the coolest things (IMO) about the entire Asahi effort, and why I'm not at all surprised that they surpassed Apple, was the dedicated effort to build bespoke developer-friendly Python tooling early in the reverse engineering process. https://asahilinux.org/2021/08/progress-report-august-2021/ > Since the hypervisor is built on m1n1, it works together with Python code running on a separate host machine. Effecti…

Knowing how to build effective scaffolding, in the right sequence, that continuously enables tighter and faster iteration loops on a project is a huge meta-skill that contributes to why the high end of experienced engineers are orders of magnitude more effective than others.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by benn0 »

breather wrote: post #60
larrik wrote: post #7

I switched to an M1 Air back at the beginning of 2021, was on Linux (desktop machine) about a decade before that. It's basically purely a work machine (software and management). The hardware is amazing. The battery life is astounding. The software, in almost every area, is inferior to my experience in Linux. The Apple parts generally worst of all (only Microsoft Office on it is worse). In the end, I'm probably 70% as…

Meanwhile linux keybindings appear stuck in the 80s

I'm trying to manage working on both Linux and MacOS, and this has been the number one frustration. Fortunately, toshy.app (as well as into) exists and does a pretty great job at mapping shortcuts to match MacOS.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by 12345hn6789 »

askonomm wrote: post #85
larrik wrote: post #7

I switched to an M1 Air back at the beginning of 2021, was on Linux (desktop machine) about a decade before that. It's basically purely a work machine (software and management). The hardware is amazing. The battery life is astounding. The software, in almost every area, is inferior to my experience in Linux. The Apple parts generally worst of all (only Microsoft Office on it is worse). In the end, I'm probably 70% as…

Your list sounds more like app related things rather than OS related things to be honest. Also, contrasting your issue list with the issue list of Linux, where Wayland barely works, audio issues are constant, the whole system is so delicate that an automatic update can easily brick the OS, 10 different ways to install apps leading to no consistency at all (flatpak, snap, .tar.gz, AppImage, native binary, apt-get, sof…

Those are all issues with Ubuntu. Switch to arch

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by wkat4242 »

paulmd wrote: post #113
wkat4242 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True but it's really hard to imagine how they ever expected the "my own device spies on me by design" to fly. Maybe they miscalculated that the "for the children" argument would convince the consumer which was obviously a huge miscalculation. Even though they clearly thought of safeguards so it wouldn't lead to many issues in practice, it's just so incredibly wrong at the core that it creeps people out just thinking…

one could argue that it was intended not to fly and that apple successfully threaded the needle of getting E2EE out the door without invoking a legislative response on the basis of "think of the children/terrorists". look at what apple did: they lined up E2EE, got the pushback from law enforcement, floated a solution that would have accomplished the stated goals, then effectively invoked the court of public opinion w…

> the only real victim is apple's public reputation with a bunch of android nerds who were never going to like them anyway.

I don't agree. I have several Apple fan friends whose admiration for Apple really dropped. They're still on iOS and Mac because they're so invested (walled garden and all). But the enthusiasm and deep devotion is gone.

Not just because of that, though it was the first drop. But also the recent sideloading malicious compliance thing. That deep trust is gone.

I used to be an apple fan too but I already dropped off earlier (for want of deciding what I can run on my own hardware). So I'm definitely an android nerd. But this made waves even inside the Apple camp.

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