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Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by Sunspark »

Scubabear68 wrote: post #21
larrik wrote: post #7

I switched to an M1 Air back at the beginning of 2021, was on Linux (desktop machine) about a decade before that. It's basically purely a work machine (software and management). The hardware is amazing. The battery life is astounding. The software, in almost every area, is inferior to my experience in Linux. The Apple parts generally worst of all (only Microsoft Office on it is worse). In the end, I'm probably 70% as…

It seems a lot of those gripes are about specific apps, or simply not understanding that MacOS does somethings differently. By contrast I have never been able to use Linux successfully as a desktop OS because there is a dearth of polished commercial apps, and the HW compatibility has always been iffy. MacOS generally works out of the box with the HW, and the apps are generally highly polished. I caveat the apps as “g…

Linux's desktop experience also lacks polish in a lot of areas. It's not a talent or expertise issue, it just comes down to lack of resources. You can do a lot of polishing if you say here's 50 million dollars and a staff of 50, have at it.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by pests »

selectodude wrote: post #76
wkat4242 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They shouldn't have deprecated OpenGL though. It's really important for desktop software. Several games have lost Mac support due to this like elite dangerous. Of course they push metal but that's not interesting to desktop developers.

OpenGL itself has been depreciated for almost 7 years now. I won’t wade into Vulkan vs Metal but depreciating OpenGL seems pretty reasonable to me.

It's a little different from depreciating since OpenGL was still impented and available on non-M Mac.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by nozzlegear »

blastersyndrome wrote: post #50

I thought Asahi Linux's sole developer didn't allow discussion of his project here? I remember there being quite a lot of fallout from that, what happened?

Everyone else is asking how they wouldn’t allow discussion on HN, but I’m more interested in why they don’t want discussion on HN?

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by wtallis »

jlund-molfese wrote: post #47
larrik wrote: post #7

I switched to an M1 Air back at the beginning of 2021, was on Linux (desktop machine) about a decade before that. It's basically purely a work machine (software and management). The hardware is amazing. The battery life is astounding. The software, in almost every area, is inferior to my experience in Linux. The Apple parts generally worst of all (only Microsoft Office on it is worse). In the end, I'm probably 70% as…

The tone of the community is really different, too—and imo the worst thing about the transition from Linux -> OS X. And ok, it's not a fair comparison, because Linux users tend to be way more technical due in part to the OS family's barriers of entry. Still, it's annoying when you search for how to do something in OS X and the first few threads are full of people saying "that isn't how it works! Instead of wanting to…

If your mental model for how the software works is not an accurate abstraction for how it actually functions, you're going to be frustrated. If, when confronted with evidence that your mental model is inaccurate, you refuse to update your mental model, you will have difficulty coming up with solutions for the things that bug you, and difficulty even asking the right questions.

Being mad at software for operating in a different paradigm than you are used to is not productive. This all applies just as much to users coming to macOS from Windows (or imitations thereof) to macOS as it does to users coming to git from svn.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by askonomm »

larrik wrote: post #7

I switched to an M1 Air back at the beginning of 2021, was on Linux (desktop machine) about a decade before that. It's basically purely a work machine (software and management). The hardware is amazing. The battery life is astounding. The software, in almost every area, is inferior to my experience in Linux. The Apple parts generally worst of all (only Microsoft Office on it is worse). In the end, I'm probably 70% as…

Your list sounds more like app related things rather than OS related things to be honest. Also, contrasting your issue list with the issue list of Linux, where Wayland barely works, audio issues are constant, the whole system is so delicate that an automatic update can easily brick the OS, 10 different ways to install apps leading to no consistency at all (flatpak, snap, .tar.gz, AppImage, native binary, apt-get, software center ...), makes MacOS sound really great.

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by [deleted] »

vdaea wrote: post #74
dj_mc_merlin wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some parts of the programming community has always embraced counterculture/things the public sees as bizzare. Surprise surprise, it's also the part that spends a lot more on the computer than even the already addicted average programmer. So they tend to be godly at the craft compared to us lesser mortals that still maintain some normal social behaviour and they can produce amazing stuff like this. Be thankful for it.

You can be thankful for the work done and still think marcan acts weird and is off-putting with his "asahi" vtuber persona.

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Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by tux3 »

vdaea wrote: post #74
dj_mc_merlin wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some parts of the programming community has always embraced counterculture/things the public sees as bizzare. Surprise surprise, it's also the part that spends a lot more on the computer than even the already addicted average programmer. So they tend to be godly at the craft compared to us lesser mortals that still maintain some normal social behaviour and they can produce amazing stuff like this. Be thankful for it.

You can be thankful for the work done and still think marcan acts weird and is off-putting with his "asahi" vtuber persona.

We knew you could, but you might as well not. Even if you don't see the empathy angle, who benefits from alienating people who do amazing work for free?

Re: Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple

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Post by sunshowers »

breather wrote: post #64
shrimp_emoji wrote: post #62

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How? They exist and they're customizable, unlike Windows's. And I'll bet you you can't bind xkill to Ctrl-Alt-Esc, and your cursor turns into a little skull-and-crossbones, and whatever you click immediately vaporizes via a SIGKILL, on a Mac. :p

I'm referring specifically to the use of ctrl as a primary key for both the shell and the ux. How did this happen? Anyway, keybindings are certainly changeable if you're ready to dive into a hundred distinct projects each defining their own key handling. There's no truly system wide way to alter system keybindings in any meaningful sense.

On balance, I really like that Ctrl is overloaded in that way. Means that Super/Win/Cmd can be used for a wide variety of things on top.

For example, I use Super for tiling window management, launching programs, and other things. On macOS, with Yabai and skhd, you can't use plain Cmd to do that.

Overloading Ctrl has downsides, but I think it is a net benefit overall.

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