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Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by fuzzfactor »

danbruc wrote: post #35
poszlem wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Building a gas pipeline with an adversary to disadvantage your eastern neighbors was likely a bad move.

Russia was no adversary when Nord Stream was build and given the repeated disputes between Russia and Ukraine with regard to gas [1] it seems completely reasonable that they wanted to bypass them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_dis...

>Russia was no adversary when Nord Stream was build

I would say with 20/20 hindsight that turned out to be completely false.

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by goblinux »

This doesn't actually map methane leaks. It finds oilfield equipment and infrastructure and guesses how much it might leak and how that leak might diffuse. There's not like a special sensor to see methane from the satellite like I had originally guessed

"Maguire said the same AI technology that Google used to detect trees, crosswalks, and intersections from satellite imagery would be applied to oil and gas infrastructure. The map would be overlaid with data from MethaneSAT to shed light on the type of machinery most susceptible to leaks."

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by vincentlp »

mistrial9 wrote: post #9

partnership announced with the Environmental Defense Fund https://www.methanesat.org/ there are a half-dozen such sensor missions. https://gee-community-catalog.org/projects/ogim/ MSFT announced a commercial partnership to do the same not long ago. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/microsoft-and-accentu... In the USA, the news of other nations doing the same is not amplified. see GLOC 2023, Global Networking For…

yes, the field is gaining quite a lot of momentum. The EU is publishing free images from satellites Sentinel-5P with a dedicated instrument called TROPOMI, and the Netherland space research center is crunching those to detect methane plumes. They publish it every week there https://earth.sron.nl/methane-emissions/ (and yes it's mostly oil&gas). Another nice resource on the topic (not just satellite images, but also small sensors) https://www.methanefix.tech/. Also this research program on methane removal https://www.sparkclimate.org/methane-removal/home

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by lesuorac »

goblinux wrote: post #64

This doesn't actually map methane leaks. It finds oilfield equipment and infrastructure and guesses how much it might leak and how that leak might diffuse. There's not like a special sensor to see methane from the satellite like I had originally guessed "Maguire said the same AI technology that Google used to detect trees, crosswalks, and intersections from satellite imagery would be applied to oil and gas infrastruc…

> It finds oilfield equipment and infrastructure and guesses how much it might leak and how that leak might diffuse.

MethaneSAT has sensors for methane [1]. So the guess work is in detecting an oilfield, the actual methane levels are no more guess work than a thermometer.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MethaneSAT

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by lesuorac »

fuzzfactor wrote: post #61
danbruc wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia was no adversary when Nord Stream was build and given the repeated disputes between Russia and Ukraine with regard to gas [1] it seems completely reasonable that they wanted to bypass them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_dis...

>Russia was no adversary when Nord Stream was build I would say with 20/20 hindsight that turned out to be completely false.

I mean in foresight there was a lot of opposition to it too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_2#Opposition

Obviously there's not much you can do with corruption.

> One of the last acts of former Chancellor Gerhard Schröder in office was to sign the deal creating the Nord Stream 1 project in 2005. Schröder subsequently became chairman of the company behind it and took several directorial positions in Russian energy companies in the following years.

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by mistrial9 »

vincentlp wrote: post #65
mistrial9 wrote: post #9

partnership announced with the Environmental Defense Fund https://www.methanesat.org/ there are a half-dozen such sensor missions. https://gee-community-catalog.org/projects/ogim/ MSFT announced a commercial partnership to do the same not long ago. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/microsoft-and-accentu... In the USA, the news of other nations doing the same is not amplified. see GLOC 2023, Global Networking For…

yes, the field is gaining quite a lot of momentum. The EU is publishing free images from satellites Sentinel-5P with a dedicated instrument called TROPOMI, and the Netherland space research center is crunching those to detect methane plumes. They publish it every week there https://earth.sron.nl/methane-emissions/ (and yes it's mostly oil&gas). Another nice resource on the topic (not just satellite images, but also s…

that methaneFix link is literally just a couple of show-offs! I like the effort.. there is a difference between the large orgs, large institutions and then those web people..

The TROPOMI link is very dense and yes, exactly what the references above are.. excellent, so much to do

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

jefftk wrote: post #31
1970-01-01 wrote: post #23

Put natural gas leaks on there while you're at it. Maybe that would absorb enough attention to fix the 40 year leak. https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/16/advocates-hold-... https://www.heet.org/gas-leaks-map

Natural gas is (mostly) methane, so a satellite looking for methane would include these.

Did you look at the map? I seriously doubt 16,000 natural gas leaks would be found via satellite. Some are even inside buildings.

Re: Google is making a map of methane leaks for the whole world to see

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Post by mopsi »

danbruc wrote: post #50
justrealist wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one that might have avoided the situation of today ???? Merkel had her way 16 years, her politics are exactly what got us here. This is a ridiculous statement.

Germany was among those countries that were against NATO memberships for Georgia and Ukraine in 2008.

And Germany got what they wanted, and Russia invaded Georgia the very same year.

Merkels and Schröders are how we got here. German military is now planning for missile attacks against their infrastructure: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nato-russia-missile-strik...

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