Full title: "525 private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended. Several had paper straws onboard."
525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended
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Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
All aviation, altogether, private jets inclusive, is less than 3% of world emissions. Getting people fired up about rich people using private jets is just a distraction from the truth in the same way that paper straws are. The reality is that a small handful of industries generate the majority of pollution, and they have no meaningful regulatory pressure to stop, and that even that mostly pales in comparison to the e…
> The reality is that a small handful of industries generate the majority of pollution You can pick your pie chart, and they'll all be a bit different based on the categories they choose. I like this one from 2016 because, even though it's 8 years old, it seems to have all the sectors: https://ourworldindata.org/ghg-emissions-by-sector If you want to get to zero emissions, you have to replace or remove all of these:…
> There isn't a silver bullet for this.
No there's not. There's multiple things which need to happen. If you halve those commercial, residential, road and aviation figures that's a decent start. It's not the full answer, but it's part of the answer.
People have to see everyone doing their part though. Back in WW2 when food was rationed it didn't really make any difference if the 1% had 3 times as much, but if people saw that we weren't "all in it together" then nothing would get done.
Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I rather that aviation contributes 1.5% instead of 3%. Of course, industries that pollute more should work harder to reduce their pollution. Rather than banning private jet, we could ask that private jet uses only carbon neutral fuels, since they could afford it. However, it might cause rich people to pollute more by using their cars instead of flying, so there's a balancing act.
> we could ask that private jet uses only carbon neutral fuels As was pointed out, this would be for "feel good" purposes only. Private jets are a small part of total aviation emissions, which are themselves a small part of global carbon emissions. It would be a case of something like "statistical murder" where resources or dollars are spent on making a small difference when the same resources or dollars could be spe…
> As was pointed out, this would be for "feel good" purposes only.
Yes it would.
Why should I as a lowly pleb suffer when the 1% just say "let them eat cake"
If Taylor Swift's electric bill doubles, she doesn't know. If Joe Bloggs' does it's a major impact.
Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The reality is that a small handful of industries generate the majority of pollution You can pick your pie chart, and they'll all be a bit different based on the categories they choose. I like this one from 2016 because, even though it's 8 years old, it seems to have all the sectors: https://ourworldindata.org/ghg-emissions-by-sector If you want to get to zero emissions, you have to replace or remove all of these:…
> There isn't a silver bullet for this. No there's not. There's multiple things which need to happen. If you halve those commercial, residential, road and aviation figures that's a decent start. It's not the full answer, but it's part of the answer. People have to see everyone doing their part though. Back in WW2 when food was rationed it didn't really make any difference if the 1% had 3 times as much, but if people…
I don't agree with that. It makes people feel good to say "every little bit helps" as they pretend they're doing their part, but I don't hear anyone saying that halving emissions is sufficient to stop any problems. And halving that list is less than 15% of the total. Little bits don't help - they're pointless gestures.
Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Okay, and the person who replied was clearly talking about private planes. Hence the “so simple” part. Unless you interpret it uncharitably, like the person who replied to you said.
That is not clear at all for the reason I stated.
Hence, this is what I meant by choosing the least charitable interpretation. At least read through the thread to get the context and try to imagine different positions. Usually, people are trying to contribute to a conversation, even if they communicate it badly. If that's too much, get used to nobody caring about what you think or arguing until they get bored. It's certainly boring to talk to a wall.
Notice, it's a very common occurrence. People note that something posted is inaccurate, in their own personal interpretation. It's usually not directed at them, but there's a need to correct the posted because of their personal interpretation (re: xkcd Duty Calls). This is not to say, I've never been guilty of this (maybe this post is a great example). Sometimes I want to argue. Sometimes I want to explore my own beliefs, given another person's position, and get it recorded somewhere. That being said, I can recognize that it's not constructive for the conversation at hand and I'm trying to do better, while still growing my own understanding.