The Maturation of Mark Zuckerberg • Hacker News Board

Re: The Maturation of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by goggles99 » Mon, May 07, 2012, 7:04 AM UTC

People who bash Zuckerberg fall into 3 categories. Haters, entitlists or are jealous of Mark.

If you are so pissed off at Facebook's privacy stance, don't use them (Yes it really is as simple as that).

If you cry foul and say this is unfair because you won't be able to keep in touch as well with all of your family/friends just remember this. YOU are not entitled make your own rules when using someone elses' company services.

All the whining does nothing - only votes matter. You have your vote (your free choice to use or not use Facebook). if enough people agree with you and decide that it is not worth it to use Facebook - then they will be forced to make changes. All the whining in the world will not make a bit of difference if they still know that THEY HAVE YOU and you along with everyone else will continue to use their service (meaning no significant amount of people are leaving and growth is still good).

Re: The Maturation of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by zem » Mon, May 07, 2012, 7:06 AM UTC

thespin wrote: post #20

zem wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Maybe he's not a good guy, but he's not a bad guy." Translation: He has too much money, and FB has too much potential influence on our readers, for us to tell you what we really think. that's unduly cynical. if you read the rest of the article, they explain their reasoning - mainly that, when zuckerberg might have fired people ruthlessly in his rise to the top, they did not feel that any of those firings were actu…

"rise to the top"? I think you mean protecting his position at the top from "executives". Some of who may have little skill to offer the company (as someone above said, age is a factor) but are who are quite adept at maneuvering their way into higher salaries and greater powers of decision-making.

rise to the top of the social network mountain (or dungheap if you prefer)

Re: The Maturation of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by krakensden » Mon, May 07, 2012, 7:07 AM UTC

davmar wrote: post #37

great discussion. interesting topic. garbage article. really. read it. it's absolutely atrocious.

For some reason it's written as if the author assumes his audience is filled with disdain for Mark Zuckerberg. Or the author is. It's hard to tell.

A deep, petty, and deeply petty disrespect seems sort of strange, given Facebook's ubiquity and general good decision making.

Re: The Maturation of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by jan_g » Mon, May 07, 2012, 7:22 AM UTC

goggles99 wrote: post #51

People who bash Zuckerberg fall into 3 categories. Haters, entitlists or are jealous of Mark. If you are so pissed off at Facebook's privacy stance, don't use them (Yes it really is as simple as that). If you cry foul and say this is unfair because you won't be able to keep in touch as well with all of your family/friends just remember this. YOU are not entitled make your own rules when using someone elses' company s…

>If you are so pissed off at Facebook's privacy stance, don't use them (Yes it really is as simple as that).

While I agree with you in general I think that the matter is not so simple. Of course, it is in fact true that when you don't like something, you simply won't buy/use it.

However, many people have had similar view with regards to Microsoft and Google (and other big companies). But when a big company does something it affects so many people/companies that it's not just an issue of voting with your wallet.

Re: The Maturation of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by gbog » Mon, May 07, 2012, 7:49 AM UTC

waterlesscloud wrote: post #25

peterwwillis wrote: post #11

The crazy thing to me is how well suited people of Zuck's age group are to running companies suited to web technology. A more "mature" CEO would not have the right mindset to steer something as pliable as a web app into a product that keeps up with the non-stop competition for users' attention. If something cooler comes around the corner and enough people latch onto it, you're fucked. Zuck gets this because he probab…

Age group is not the determining factor there.

It is, but in the reverse factor, I mean the normal factor, that which is stating the common sense fact that the more experienced you are the more you can do difficult things (including putting yourself in the shoes of young immature people)

It seems crazy that just for 2 examples of youngster having been promoted on the front page of magazines suddenly everyone seem to think only young people can do that.

As far as I can tell, and in fact I don;t care that much, Steve Jobs was not very young, neither is Jeff Bezos. The founder on the web company where I work is look young, but not that young, I'd guess over his forties.

Re: The Maturation of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by sparknlaunch12 » Mon, May 07, 2012, 7:49 AM UTC

Wow, tough life. Another terrible first world problem.

Zuck has had the best "learning by experience"opportunity ever. Whatever happens he has done something totally unique.

Re: The Maturation of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by simondlr » Mon, May 07, 2012, 7:54 AM UTC

cletus wrote: post #36

As much as you can criticize Facebook for its privacy fumblings and other missteps I have an enormous amount of respect for Zuck for one simple reason: For someone of that age with so little experience to guide something that started from his dorm room into a (potentially) $100B company in ~10 years while still maintaining effective control of it is a truly remarkable accomplishment. There would have many, many oppor…

What happened at All Things D?

Re: The Maturation of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 07, 2012, 7:55 AM UTC

mhartl wrote: post #31

joelrunyon wrote: post #2

1-page version here --> http://nymag.com/print/?/news/features/mark-zuckerberg-2012-...

Maybe there should be an official HN policy to post one-page stories when available, and perhaps even alter story URIs when necessary?

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Re: The Maturation of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by rgrieselhuber » Mon, May 07, 2012, 8:00 AM UTC

simondlr wrote: post #57

cletus wrote: post #36

As much as you can criticize Facebook for its privacy fumblings and other missteps I have an enormous amount of respect for Zuck for one simple reason: For someone of that age with so little experience to guide something that started from his dorm room into a (potentially) $100B company in ~10 years while still maintaining effective control of it is a truly remarkable accomplishment. There would have many, many oppor…

What happened at All Things D?

He got nervous and started sweating. Might be a bit aggressive to call that a "meltdown."

Re: The Maturation of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by kahawe » Mon, May 07, 2012, 8:00 AM UTC

peterwwillis wrote: post #11

The crazy thing to me is how well suited people of Zuck's age group are to running companies suited to web technology. A more "mature" CEO would not have the right mindset to steer something as pliable as a web app into a product that keeps up with the non-stop competition for users' attention. If something cooler comes around the corner and enough people latch onto it, you're fucked. Zuck gets this because he probab…

Where did he ever have to actually show this quality of keeping up with competition? So far there simply hasn't been any "next big thing" that facebook would have to actually be afraid of. They have so incredibly many users, that alone makes them de-facto untouchable as of now. Even google plus could not change that. All of this might change some time in the future, just like it did for myspace and there was nothing they could have done about it if you ask me.