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Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

John23832 wrote: post #44
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rather that aviation contributes 1.5% instead of 3% This describes massively raising the cost of package shipment and air travel. (You can’t cut aviation emissions in half with only private jets or even all of general aviation.) Were that to happen, I know my responses would probably include buying a larger car (to make travel more comfortable) and possibly expanding my house (since I can’t leave it as often). It w…

> This describes massively raising the cost of package shipment and air travel. Having a private jet deliver my amazon package is one of the new prime perks this year.

> Having a private jet deliver my amazon package is one of the new prime perks this year

Second sentence buddy. You’re not cutting aviation emissions in half without cutting broader aviation.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by enterprise_cog »

baggy_trough wrote: post #82
Supermancho wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> 3% is a pretty big reduction for such a simple thing... > You think getting rid of aviation is a simple thing? That's not what was suggested, initially. Just the private jets. Then there have been some numbers thrown around, so it's not clear where the 3% comes from (1/2 of 7%?). Kneejerk opposition by taking the least charitable interpretation, is not constructive. One point is that something measurable, is actio…

I'm responding to the exact statement made, so I don't know what you're talking about regarding a least charitable interpretation.

They were talking about private planes and you generalized it to all aviation. You were not responding to the exact statement.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by ericd »

gingerbread-man wrote: post #10
andy_ppp wrote: post #3

Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

Why not a pigouvian tax on jet fuel (and other fossil fuels?)

Might be helpful to define it for people - a pigouvian tax is a tax on something to balance out the negative externality it inflicts on society. A carbon tax like you’re suggesting seems like our best hope of averting disaster. I’m not sure what would get it done, though, it would be very much against the short term interests of the rich, since they’d bear the brunt, as the largest emitters, and would massively disrupt the status quo in terms of what products are most cost effective. Making it revenue-neutral by dividending out all takings would help with its political popularity, and make it so it would positively impact the poor (since they use less carbon per capita than the average). But still seems hard to get it passed. It’s a bit wonkish, which is a big problem compared to something that feels better, like “ban all private planes!”.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by schmookeeg »

colpabar wrote: post #89
matsemann wrote: post #59

How many went to the same airports? Like LA, NY etc? Wouldn't it be just as quick and easy for most of these people if they just chartered a bigger plane together?

I don't know from experience, but I'd argue the entire point of private jets is to not have to share anything with anyone. These are a different class of people; they don't think like you or I do.

I agree with your point's sentiment, but I doubt anyone in here is chartering a bus or van to attend an event their neighbors are also attending the next town over.

They think the same way we do. We play the game at the level we can afford. Their game is higher level, but it is played the same.

Pulling my plane out of the hangar is no different than pulling the Subaru out of the garage. Thinking about sharing the ride never enters into it. I don't need to trade reduced cost for increased efficiency and reduced convenience. Neither do these 525 jet owners or charter clients.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by avgcorrection »

phatfish wrote: post #35
tristor wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All aviation, altogether, private jets inclusive, is less than 3% of world emissions. Getting people fired up about rich people using private jets is just a distraction from the truth in the same way that paper straws are. The reality is that a small handful of industries generate the majority of pollution, and they have no meaningful regulatory pressure to stop, and that even that mostly pales in comparison to the e…

Why dismiss it as a distraction? Every positive action is a step in the right direction to help keep the planet in a liveable condition. I'm happy if restricting single use plastic like plastic straws helps even a small amount to reduce plastic pollution. If i can put up with a soggy straw after 15 mins in a drink, the ultra rich can fly 1st class more often.

> I'm happy if restricting single use plastic like plastic straws helps even a small amount to reduce plastic pollution.

Then well, okay. A small victory for you, a huge loss for the focus on solving the problem.

Is it a coincidence that the Media focuses on trivialities that are all about “consumer choice”? No. It’s so that we lose focus on the greater picture. Things like restructuring society.

Oh, everything in this store is wrapped in plastic? Nevermind that, shopper—use our reusable bags that cost way more energy and plastic to manufacture. Don’t be a plastic-sinner.

And you’re just gonna lose that battle. The Media can churn out thousands of concern-troll articles about plastic straws for every little nudge of care in a plebian comment section somewhere on the Internet.

The only reason the Media has to care a little bit about it is because of the absurdity of taking a private jet to Davos or whatever to discuss climate change.

Focus on solving real issues in real ways.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by wolpoli »

andy_ppp wrote: post #3

Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

I live in Canada, and it's strange that we are able to ban little things like single use plastic bags, cutleries, and straws, but not ban big ticket items like private jets.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by reducesuffering »

tristor wrote: post #42
reducesuffering wrote: post #23

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This is the NIMBY of polluting. Everyone can point to other emissions and say "mines only 3%, worry about those other 50% guys over there." when I bet one of the top "small handful of industries" you're going to point to is something like concrete that is literally making affordable buildings for the peasants to live in while homelessness is already far too high . The real question is what actual reductions you think…

I know it's super in vogue to hate the rich or whatever, but if we want to effectively fight climate change we have to do so strategically, supported by data. The data is pretty clear on this matter, the absolute priority is reducing the carbon footprint of electricity production, the second priority should be reducing the carbon footprint of cargo transport and agriculture, and the third priority should be reducing…

My mindset is likely 95% the same as yours. However, it is also important to curtail wasteful private jet emissions, even if electricity and standards of living are bigger priorities. What I'm also trying to get at, is if you want political consensus on tackling climate change (which half of the US electorate doesn't give af about emissions currently), then we need to have better optics and put some self-sacrifice in. This reddit thread is a damning example that you can't tell everyone climate change is going to affect their standard of living, meanwhile "doesn't affect me, I can throw unlimited $ at private jets whenever I need to watch football."

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by dzhiurgis »

ecf wrote: post #45

And we’re told we need to be conscious of the plastic bags we’re using at the grocery to fight pollution. We’re a drop in the ocean compared to these people.

Yes they are producing 100x more emissions, but there are 1000000x more poor people…

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by [deleted] »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #14
probably_wrong wrote: post #2

The title is missing a "525" at the beginning - this was probably auto-removed but in this case I'd argue it should be brought back.

It's the perfect symbol of Hacker News and Silicon Valley culture, overconfidence in using technology to automate something but making it worse in the big picture.

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