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Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by mrguyorama »

groestl wrote: post #11
kayodelycaon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’d be better off getting cargo ships to stop using sludge for fuel and getting countries to stop burning coal. Private jets aren’t even close to the worse things. They are just easy targets. Your worst offenders are industry.

> Your worst offenders are industry Which produces for?

And all those industries use 100% perfectly minimal pollution and carbon releasing systems, processes, and services right? What's that? They don't because it costs 2% more to sequester the carbon you release rather than just looking the other way and pocketing the money while you sell.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by SoftTalker »

kiba wrote: post #20
tristor wrote: post #4

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All aviation, altogether, private jets inclusive, is less than 3% of world emissions. Getting people fired up about rich people using private jets is just a distraction from the truth in the same way that paper straws are. The reality is that a small handful of industries generate the majority of pollution, and they have no meaningful regulatory pressure to stop, and that even that mostly pales in comparison to the e…

I rather that aviation contributes 1.5% instead of 3%. Of course, industries that pollute more should work harder to reduce their pollution. Rather than banning private jet, we could ask that private jet uses only carbon neutral fuels, since they could afford it. However, it might cause rich people to pollute more by using their cars instead of flying, so there's a balancing act.

> we could ask that private jet uses only carbon neutral fuels

As was pointed out, this would be for "feel good" purposes only. Private jets are a small part of total aviation emissions, which are themselves a small part of global carbon emissions.

It would be a case of something like "statistical murder" where resources or dollars are spent on making a small difference when the same resources or dollars could be spent on something else that make a much bigger difference.

The elephant in the room is electrical generation. That is where all effort needs to be focused until we reach the point of diminishing returns and the tradeoff vs. other opportunities makes something else worth pursuing.

https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by itishappy »

autoexec wrote: post #60
ecf wrote: post #49

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Industry helps everyone. Private jets are so the rich can avoid the peasants. There’s no benefit for 99.99% of the rest of the world.

Private jets are an industry too so they must also be helping everyone

Everyone who uses them!

I interact with concrete on a daily basis, not so for private jets.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by dpassens »

phatfish wrote: post #51
DangerousPie wrote: post #43

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You wouldn't have to put up with a soggy straw if we tackled the real problems instead.

Why can't we do both? Personally I don't want plastic trash polluting the environment. I think this attitude gets the the heart of the problem. When it actually comes to lifestyle changes it suddenly becomes someone else's problem.

> Personally I don't want plastic trash polluting the environment.

Ban throwing them into the environment, then. I've never thrown my plastic straws into the ocean, that happens further down the line of trash disposal. So why should I be the one who's punished for it?

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by vundercind »

groestl wrote: post #50
vundercind wrote: post #39

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Irrelevant. You don’t get major changes like this through individual action even when a large majority want it. You have to regulate industry to achieve such change. Or regulate consumers to indirectly influence industry. “Well people evidently want them to pollute or they’d do something else” is somewhere in not-even-wrong territory—it can only come from not being familiar with the problem space.

They produce largely for the rich, is what I'm hinting at.

Ah—the global rich (so, most of the people who live in OECD states), yeah, true.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by ginko »

jdminhbg wrote: post #70
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #14

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It's the perfect symbol of Hacker News and Silicon Valley culture, overconfidence in using technology to automate something but making it worse in the big picture.

This is the perfect example of a middlebrow dismissal. Something fails in one instance, and it results in a confident dismissal of the entire system.

The automated title changes on HN constantly break things.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by abenga »

baggy_trough wrote: post #22
avgcorrection wrote: post #16

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Rich people cause climate change by architecting society (just look around). Their private jets don’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

What does that mean?

The extremely wealthy (think Koch and friends) probably have done a lot worse by influencing the world to remain dependent on fossil fuels much longer than it should have. If the strides we are making now were made in the 80s, we would be in a far better place.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by jdminhbg »

ginko wrote: post #76
jdminhbg wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the perfect example of a middlebrow dismissal. Something fails in one instance, and it results in a confident dismissal of the entire system.

The automated title changes on HN constantly break things.

Only the broken headlines that would otherwise have been good are noticeable. The vast sea of bad headlines that are fixed or buried or discouraged from posting in the first place aren't visible.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by maxglute »

wang_li wrote: post #69
maxglute wrote: post #34

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Nigeria, with 210m people, share of global emissions is 0.23%. Indonesia 270m 1.5% Pakistan 210m 0.9% Brazil 210m 1.2% Bangladesh 160m 0.4% Thats the 5 most populous countries after india, prc, us.

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Presumably any coordinated global action on climate change including from countries who produce semi and auto. If globe wants to limit emissions, they're not going to be taking 3% from billions who emit less than that. Gov that cares will lower your standard if living if they care enough. See France trying to ban domestic flights. I mean obviously no one is going to kill global aviation, but private jets, why not.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by lopkeny12ko »

probably_wrong wrote: post #2

The title is missing a "525" at the beginning - this was probably auto-removed but in this case I'd argue it should be brought back.

I don't see how "525" contributes any value. I gather that the point of the post is to show off a data visualization of a lot of planes leaving Las Vegas. The number feels like an implementation detail.
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