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Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by phatfish »

DangerousPie wrote: post #43
phatfish wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why dismiss it as a distraction? Every positive action is a step in the right direction to help keep the planet in a liveable condition. I'm happy if restricting single use plastic like plastic straws helps even a small amount to reduce plastic pollution. If i can put up with a soggy straw after 15 mins in a drink, the ultra rich can fly 1st class more often.

You wouldn't have to put up with a soggy straw if we tackled the real problems instead.

Why can't we do both? Personally I don't want plastic trash polluting the environment.

I think this attitude gets the the heart of the problem. When it actually comes to lifestyle changes it suddenly becomes someone else's problem.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by colingoodman »

google234123 wrote: post #29

As long as none of those people have lectured us or people below them about climate change then I'm fine. One flight from LA to Vegas is the same CO2 the same as 40,000 cars doing the trip?

Both would be less than the CO2 produced by a train. I hope Brightline West works out.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by tristor »

groestl wrote: post #38
baggy_trough wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People.

Not for all of them in the same manner though. The richest 1% have a carbon footprint equal to the "poorest" 66%, for example.

Only when looking at things globally, and that's mostly because the vast majority of the world population is exceptionally poor with a matching low standard of living. If you look at things in developed countries, the difference in carbon footprint between rich and poor is not nearly so stark. We are /all/ to blame, and we are /all/ going to suffer for it, so we need to pull our heads out of our asses and stop turning this into some ridiculous "us" vs "them" situation that it isn't. There is no us, there is no them, we're all on the same spinning rock in space, breathing the same air.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by julosflb »

tristor wrote: post #4
andy_ppp wrote: post #3

Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

All aviation, altogether, private jets inclusive, is less than 3% of world emissions. Getting people fired up about rich people using private jets is just a distraction from the truth in the same way that paper straws are. The reality is that a small handful of industries generate the majority of pollution, and they have no meaningful regulatory pressure to stop, and that even that mostly pales in comparison to the e…

The problem with this line of thinking in my opinion is that we have 30x3% problems... sure individually they would not make a difference but we need to act on all front.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by matsemann »

hackeraccount wrote: post #13
andy_ppp wrote: post #3

Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

But that's not really what you want is it? You want to ban private jets being used for reasons that you think are idiotic. You presumably don't have an issue with private jets being used for sensible productivity enhancing reasons. The real question is, who would you like to determine which is which? Note that this question covers much more ground then just private jets.

> You presumably don't have an issue with private jets being used for sensible productivity enhancing reasons

What are those? Could it have been a Zoom meeting? I'm not the person you're replying to, but I also have a problem with those jets you're mentioning..

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by autoexec »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #41

I'm wondering if this stat is calculated correctly, because there's not room for 525 private jets to be sitting around at once there, let alone in the giant airplane parking lots in Arizona.

a random redditor who didn't link to a source said that they could accommodate 475 parked jets, and that the others flew in from other airports to drop off/pick up their passenger and immediately left

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by ericmay »

tristor wrote: post #4
andy_ppp wrote: post #3

Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

All aviation, altogether, private jets inclusive, is less than 3% of world emissions. Getting people fired up about rich people using private jets is just a distraction from the truth in the same way that paper straws are. The reality is that a small handful of industries generate the majority of pollution, and they have no meaningful regulatory pressure to stop, and that even that mostly pales in comparison to the e…

Kind of.

The problem is that the idea is we should make personal sacrifices for the sake of the climate (I agree that we should generally speaking) and do things like ban gas stoves. Ok.

But when you tell me that and then I see people and companies writing off private jets as a business expense, all that makes me want to do is say get your hands off my stove because clearly this can't be that serious of a problem [1] if this is continuing to occur.

Nobody will be willing to make sacrifices voluntarily that wealthier people aren't and so we have a big marketing problem here. Raise the taxes on private jets and aviation fuel for them 5,000% and have those go to funding climate science (or some other general idea here) and we can talk about my stove.

[1] It's a very serious problem.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Post by autoexec »

ecf wrote: post #49
kayodelycaon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’d be better off getting cargo ships to stop using sludge for fuel and getting countries to stop burning coal. Private jets aren’t even close to the worse things. They are just easy targets. Your worst offenders are industry.

Industry helps everyone. Private jets are so the rich can avoid the peasants. There’s no benefit for 99.99% of the rest of the world.

Private jets are an industry too so they must also be helping everyone
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