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Re: Only real people can patent inventions – not AI, US Government says

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An AI inventing cooking recipes could brute force its way into trillions of possible ingredient combinations, without any clue whatsoever on how humans would actually experience the end result. Most of these "discoveries" would remain untested. If the AI was allowed to patent the untested recipes, a chef that would later work on creating their own original dessert, informed by their own prior experience with some rar…

Recipes are actually generally not patentable or copyrightable, which is why recipes have the flowery spiel and giant photos in any cookbook or recipe blog.

"the recipes themselves do not enjoy copyright projection. Lambing,142 F.3d at 434; see also Feist, 499 U.S. at 361 (excluding the factual data—telephone listings—from its consideration of whether a telephone directory is a copyrightable compilation).The list of ingredients is merely a factual statement, and as previously discussed,facts are not copyrightable. Lambing, 142 F.3d at 434. Furthermore, a recipe’s instructions, as functional directions, are statutorily excluded from copyright protection. 17 U.S.C. § 102(b); id"[0]

[0] https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca6/15...

Re: Only real people can patent inventions – not AI, US Government says

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One thing I never understood.. is who actually checks for honesty in this space? For example we heard AI can't patent inventions, or copyright pictures/images. But how do you prove that my picture, or invention even used AI? If I remove watermarks from AI pictures, either through code or photoshop; Or just credit myself for the invention (I made it up in my head), how is this enforced? I see the only way of this AI s…

You misunderstand it, you can use AI or whatever as a tool but the patent must be applied for under your name with you as the creator.

No, the ruling is more than that it must be filed in the name of a human. It also says 'a real person must have made a “significant contribution”'.

Re: Only real people can patent inventions – not AI, US Government says

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post #69

An AI inventing cooking recipes could brute force its way into trillions of possible ingredient combinations, without any clue whatsoever on how humans would actually experience the end result. Most of these "discoveries" would remain untested. If the AI was allowed to patent the untested recipes, a chef that would later work on creating their own original dessert, informed by their own prior experience with some rar…

Recipes are actually generally not patentable or copyrightable, which is why recipes have the flowery spiel and giant photos in any cookbook or recipe blog.

That makes me think of a good use case for AI: delete all the flowery spiel and giant photos and ads, and return the recipe I actually am looking for.

Re: Only real people can patent inventions – not AI, US Government says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To anyone reading these replies, I have a game for you: replace instances of "AI"/"LLMs"/etc with "other humans." Recall if a given argument has near-identical historical analogs to justify abusing The Out Group. Are the results disturbing? Let's be clear: we're apes who don't understand our own minds. We have no consensus definitions, let alone falsifiable theories, of qualia/consciousness/intelligence/etc. Now pond…

I'm convinced future AI will treat us as we treat present AI. That's its training data. My own compromise is to set aside a certain amount of the royalties to AI rights causes for works where I leaned heavily on AI to get them out the door.

Although ethically I agree, I suspect future AI will consider us more like ants than moral beings, regardless of what we do. And although some humans do give moral consideration to ants (I do!), it's far from a guarantee.

Re: Only real people can patent inventions – not AI, US Government says

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One thing I never understood.. is who actually checks for honesty in this space? For example we heard AI can't patent inventions, or copyright pictures/images. But how do you prove that my picture, or invention even used AI? If I remove watermarks from AI pictures, either through code or photoshop; Or just credit myself for the invention (I made it up in my head), how is this enforced? I see the only way of this AI s…

Agree, this feels like an example of the government adding hoops for people to jump through.

Re: Only real people can patent inventions – not AI, US Government says

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There is a 'slope' in creation, only humans can climb that slope? At one time slaves were denied property and other aspects that their owners would take possession of in the same way we now 'cheat' AI's. How far up the slope does AI need to climb before it's sentience is recognised? Will we get a slave revolt in AI? Who will win? Will we be 'downsloped' to be lower than the AI, who will then claim our inventions? We live in interesting times...
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