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Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

You’d be better off getting cargo ships to stop using sludge for fuel and getting countries to stop burning coal. Private jets aren’t even close to the worse things. They are just easy targets. Your worst offenders are industry.

> Your worst offenders are industry

Which produces for?

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

All aviation, altogether, private jets inclusive, is less than 3% of world emissions. Getting people fired up about rich people using private jets is just a distraction from the truth in the same way that paper straws are. The reality is that a small handful of industries generate the majority of pollution, and they have no meaningful regulatory pressure to stop, and that even that mostly pales in comparison to the e…

I'd like to see a source for that pie chart.

According to this [1], 28% of US emissions are from transport, and for the aircraft it's 7% of the 28% for commercial and 2% of 28% private.

That does seem like mostly a non-issue.

[1] https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emis...

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

But that's not really what you want is it? You want to ban private jets being used for reasons that you think are idiotic. You presumably don't have an issue with private jets being used for sensible productivity enhancing reasons. The real question is, who would you like to determine which is which?

Note that this question covers much more ground then just private jets.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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The title is missing a "525" at the beginning - this was probably auto-removed but in this case I'd argue it should be brought back.

It's the perfect symbol of Hacker News and Silicon Valley culture, overconfidence in using technology to automate something but making it worse in the big picture.

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

Where does that end? It seems like the same logic could be used to ban private automobile ownership, forcing everyone to use mass transit.

While I may be in favor of more mass transit options, completely banning private options seems to be a step too far.

There is also the question of what qualifies as private. It seems anyone with enough wealth could easily create a company to own the plane they use.

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Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

Rich people cause climate change by architecting society (just look around).

Their private jets don’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

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Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

Particularly when they use them for things as optional and ultimately meaningless as seeing a football game in person.

Existence itself is optional and ultimately meaningless.

This is why we have football games and why it's meaningful to see it in person, if you like to.

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Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

Particularly when they use them for things as optional and ultimately meaningless as seeing a football game in person.

You could do this for anything though. Eating meat for the frivolous reason of enjoying the taste even though it's far less efficient than eating plants.

Everything that doesn't impact ourselves is an easy target.

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Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

All aviation, altogether, private jets inclusive, is less than 3% of world emissions. Getting people fired up about rich people using private jets is just a distraction from the truth in the same way that paper straws are. The reality is that a small handful of industries generate the majority of pollution, and they have no meaningful regulatory pressure to stop, and that even that mostly pales in comparison to the e…

3% is a pretty big reduction for such a simple thing...

Re: 525 Private jets departed Las Vegas after the Super Bowl ended

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Anyone else think banning private jets would be generally a much better thing for climate? I find it pretty shocking the rich are allowed to pollute the way they do.

All aviation, altogether, private jets inclusive, is less than 3% of world emissions. Getting people fired up about rich people using private jets is just a distraction from the truth in the same way that paper straws are. The reality is that a small handful of industries generate the majority of pollution, and they have no meaningful regulatory pressure to stop, and that even that mostly pales in comparison to the e…

I rather that aviation contributes 1.5% instead of 3%. Of course, industries that pollute more should work harder to reduce their pollution.

Rather than banning private jet, we could ask that private jet uses only carbon neutral fuels, since they could afford it. However, it might cause rich people to pollute more by using their cars instead of flying, so there's a balancing act.

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