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Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by shiroiushi »

happyopossum wrote: post #133
bombcar wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More importantly, most Americas do not text anyone outside of the country, and haven't really ever. So people had no real reason to move off of texting, because it just worked, and Apple's iMessage just looks like texting seamlessly.

> More importantly, most Americas do not text anyone outside of the country, and haven't really ever As a dual-citizen of Canada and the US, I'd have to say that's massively overgeneralized. Pretty much every Canadian I know regularly texts with Americans (iMessage or not), which means those Americans are texting with people outside of the Country.

No, they're not.

The USA and Canada are really the same country, as far as the telcos are concerned. They're part of the same North American phone system, and have the same +1 prefix. Calls between the countries are all free, and don't carry international charges. You might think they're separate countries, and the governments may agree, but the telecom companies disagree.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by makeitdouble »

SSLy wrote: post #62
tremarley wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

‘iMessage plays a pivotal role in the success of the iPhone and contributes significantly to Apple's business is inaccurate.’ If you ask many iPhone users why they use an iPhone rather than an Android. They would tell you iMessage first. Many iPhone users won’t even consider an Android, only because of iMessage and no other reason.

Re-read parent's last sentence.

Parent's arguing that a minority of users have different motives and view it as a Veblen good. Might be true, but what about the rest of the iPhone users ?

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by makeitdouble »

bni wrote: post #9

Chat protocols being standardized would be way more useful for me as a user than having "alternate app stores". Many app stores is actually a negative for me, going by my experience from Windows gaming.

> Windows gaming

Are you saying it's worse than Mac gaming ? Or lower quality than mobile gaming ?

I'm perplexed.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by makeitdouble »

pbmonster wrote: post #34
offices wrote: post #27

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>going by my experience from Windows gaming. Could you elaborate? Steam is a negative and Microsoft Store is a positive experience?

They probably mean it's annoying to be forced to get the EPIC store or battle.net just for the 1-2 interesting games that are not on Steam.

"forced" is a strong word when some of these games could have not existed or be delayed for a few years without EPIC's money, and you still get the choice to just not play them at all (it's a game, not a CAD tool mandated by a client)

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by pests »

piltdownman wrote: post #37
zinekeller wrote: post #3

I'm not surprised by the iMessage decision*, but on the Bing case I'm personally still on the bench. I guess that API-only use is exempt from DMA? * Americans, virtually no one uses iMessage outside your country, or at least to the point that it'll force you to get an iPhone. Even Japan, with their love with iPhones, uses a homegrown service for their messaging needs.

WhatsApp is almost the de-facto standard for messaging in Europe, with cash transfers usually seconded to Revolut. iMessage in the US is, to put it bluntly, a self-selecting cult. The amount of articles, podcasts and dating vlogs that detail how common it is to straight up discount a member of the opposite sex from dating based on not having an iPhone is testament to this. In an OKCupid Poll (which is about as transp…

It's sad but true. Green bubbles means you're poor or lower class.

The only valid complaint is messing up iMessage group chats which are much better than SMS group chats.

- Proud Android User

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by troupo »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #94
troupo wrote: post #87

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The original claim was about "the EU" as a whole. Now it's "less developed countries with lowest wages". Even in Eastern Europe it's much less of a status symbol than let's say 10 years ago: installment plans are much more affordable to a larger part of the population. Source: am from Eastern Europe (though I live in Sweden now). > Lower and middle class people there will save for over a year just to get the latest i…

Affordable doesn't mean financially sound. Going in debt to buy a phone you can't afford outright in cash, means you're too poor to afford it, that's why is a status symbol.

> Affordable doesn't mean financially sound.

I can't keep up with goalposts moving speed in this conversation

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by pbmonster »

oluwie wrote: post #142
pbmonster wrote: post #65

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I think I mean something else. I'm talking about this phenomenon: A software project is using an open source licence. And app gets made for Android, and because of culture or GPL, the app is open source, too. But on Google Play, the app costs money, contains ads, or there is sub-features, that you only get if you pay a (one time/monthly) fee. But because it's trivial to sideload on And…

Installing it means installing a bundle or a package, which would come with all of the ads and intricacies you want to get away from. There are almost no applications (at least that I've found) where you can download the source code of the app, build it and then install it locally to your device (except for testing of course).

I've been using FDRoid for many years now, so maybe it changed, but the two important examples always where:

* OSMand, the main openstreetmaps client on android: the version on Google Play comes just with the basics, if you want extras, like the topographic height contour lines overlaid on your maps, which is important for mountain sports, you had to pay, even that data is free and the feature is GPL-3.0.

* Simple Mobile Tools, a huge software suite of little tools (address book, voice recorder, calendar, ect.): if you get it from Google Play, it nags you to buy the "thank you" app, even if you already bought it. They has also started releasing "Pro" versions of the tools, which have more functionality and for which you have to pay - again. Everything is GPL-3.0., and therefor free on FDRoid.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by bni »

makeitdouble wrote: post #173
bni wrote: post #9

Chat protocols being standardized would be way more useful for me as a user than having "alternate app stores". Many app stores is actually a negative for me, going by my experience from Windows gaming.

> Windows gaming Are you saying it's worse than Mac gaming ? Or lower quality than mobile gaming ? I'm perplexed.

Windows gaming is great. Remembering what store you bought a specific game on, and then have to install their crapware launcher to run it, that sucks.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by alberto180 »

crazygringo wrote: post #167
alberto180 wrote: post #159

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Yeah until they die because the not changeable SSDs has reached their cycles. I see many old ThinkPads still humming in the university library, but not many old macs.

Extraordinarily few people reach the cycle limit of the SSD on their Mac. That's not something to worry about for probably 99.999% of people, so it's just a weird thing to bring up. And how do you know you're not seeing many old MacBooks? The MBA was launched over a decade and a half ago and it still looks almost identical to a casual observer.

That's why there are so many reports about M1 Notebooks dying after 3/4 years out there.

There are huge noticeable differences between a 10 year MBA and a recent one

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by troupo »

lxgr wrote: post #97
troupo wrote: post #88

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> All they offer is an interest-free installment plan. Which even in Sweden (one of the most expensive countries in Europe) is often as low as a lunch for two: https://www.tre.se/handla/mobiltelefoner/apple/iphone-15 > What's an equivalent iPhone to e.g. a Galaxy A54 (~1 year old, EUR ~300-350)? There might not be, which doesn't make iPhone a "status symbol among the middle class and richest people in the EU". It's l…

Lunch being expensive too in Sweden does not make the iPhone more affordable across Europe. In some European countries an iPhone SE costs a third of the average monthly net salary.

I can't keep up with goalposts moving speed in this conversation
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