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Re: Andrej Karpathy Departs OpenAI

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Not sure how I feel about this. I think just telling the gist of the article is fine, it’s like me talking to a friend, but sharing the article word to word seems like stealing.

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>But since copyright is evil (when it's not mine) and content creators aren't worth their salt (if they're not me) so it's okay to do that.

This is a disingenuous generalization.

Re: Andrej Karpathy Departs OpenAI

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Andrej Karpathy, one of the founding members of OpenAI, has left the company, a spokesperson confirmed. Karpathy, a prominent artificial intelligence researcher, was developing a product he has described as an AI assistant and worked closely with the company’s research chief, Bob McGrew. While ChatGPT has been a hit with consumers, OpenAI wants to launch software that can automate complex computer-based tasks, like f…

Not sure how I feel about this. I think just telling the gist of the article is fine, it’s like me talking to a friend, but sharing the article word to word seems like stealing.

It's kind of a protest against the unethical practice that sites like this often do where they let search engines see their entire article for free just to get indexed and ranked highly, only to lock out visitors who click on those links. It's deceptive and manipulative just to get clicks.

gary_0's reply below is a good way to frame the deception: show the search engine one thing, show the user something else.

Re: Andrej Karpathy Departs OpenAI

#13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how I feel about this. I think just telling the gist of the article is fine, it’s like me talking to a friend, but sharing the article word to word seems like stealing.

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As a journalist, I defend the habit of sharing archive links. Paywalls are a lazy and detrimental solution to a larger financial problem for media organizations. They limit the access to information to a specific subset of people, and let misinformation run wild and free.

So yes, sharing the article is important in this case. If there was, say, a 300$ per year global subscription to a 100 of publications, I'm also sure 90% of hacker news would buy it.

Re: Andrej Karpathy Departs OpenAI

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how I feel about this. I think just telling the gist of the article is fine, it’s like me talking to a friend, but sharing the article word to word seems like stealing.

It's kind of a protest against the unethical practice that sites like this often do where they let search engines see their entire article for free just to get indexed and ranked highly, only to lock out visitors who click on those links. It's deceptive and manipulative just to get clicks. gary_0's reply below is a good way to frame the deception: show the search engine one thing, show the user something else.

Before they switched to pro-evil, Google used to ban you from their index if you did that (show them one thing, and human visitors something else).

Re: Andrej Karpathy Departs OpenAI

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Not sure how I feel about this. I think just telling the gist of the article is fine, it’s like me talking to a friend, but sharing the article word to word seems like stealing.

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I always thought some of the people posting the archive links were shills for the people running that site (it’s monetized with ads) — brilliant strategy.

Re: Andrej Karpathy Departs OpenAI

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Andrej Karpathy, one of the founding members of OpenAI, has left the company, a spokesperson confirmed. Karpathy, a prominent artificial intelligence researcher, was developing a product he has described as an AI assistant and worked closely with the company’s research chief, Bob McGrew. While ChatGPT has been a hit with consumers, OpenAI wants to launch software that can automate complex computer-based tasks, like f…

Not sure how I feel about this. I think just telling the gist of the article is fine, it’s like me talking to a friend, but sharing the article word to word seems like stealing.

Should he have rephrased the info instead?

Re: Andrej Karpathy Departs OpenAI

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As a journalist, I defend the habit of sharing archive links. Paywalls are a lazy and detrimental solution to a larger financial problem for media organizations. They limit the access to information to a specific subset of people, and let misinformation run wild and free. So yes, sharing the article is important in this case. If there was, say, a 300$ per year global subscription to a 100 of publications, I'm also su…

> If there was, say, a 300$ per year global subscription to a 100 of publications, I'm also sure 90% of hacker news would buy it.

No one is going to pay $300/yr to read news articles online.

But even people do that, by your logic it's just limiting the access to information to a specific group of those who are able and willing to pay $300/yr to read news.

Re: Andrej Karpathy Departs OpenAI

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how I feel about this. I think just telling the gist of the article is fine, it’s like me talking to a friend, but sharing the article word to word seems like stealing.

It's kind of a protest against the unethical practice that sites like this often do where they let search engines see their entire article for free just to get indexed and ranked highly, only to lock out visitors who click on those links. It's deceptive and manipulative just to get clicks. gary_0's reply below is a good way to frame the deception: show the search engine one thing, show the user something else.

I agree that we should criticise two-faced paywalls. We can do this by not linking to paywalled articles in the first place. After all, this is just reporting of a newsworthy event, other publishers exist — or will exist within minutes. (And if there aren't at least two good sources of reporting, perhaps we shouldn't assume it's true anyway?)

It's important to remember that respect for the fundamentals of copyright is a prerequisite for respecting the GNU GPL and other such open source licenses.

Re: Andrej Karpathy Departs OpenAI

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post #14
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of a protest against the unethical practice that sites like this often do where they let search engines see their entire article for free just to get indexed and ranked highly, only to lock out visitors who click on those links. It's deceptive and manipulative just to get clicks. gary_0's reply below is a good way to frame the deception: show the search engine one thing, show the user something else.

Before they switched to pro-evil, Google used to ban you from their index if you did that (show them one thing, and human visitors something else).

Which itself had funny consequences. Expert Sexchange used to show you a page with a payment dialog up top but you could just scroll down to the content.

Re: Andrej Karpathy Departs OpenAI

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Paywall and archive doesn't work with this website. Can anyone with access share more details? Is this baseless speculation or has it been confirmed? Do we know what he plans to do going forward?

I have the paywall as well, but in the opening sentence they mention they confirmed it with a spokesperson at the company. Sounds pretty legit.

I'm not saying the article is made up, but if it was, the opening sentence could still say they confirmed it with a spokesperson at the company.
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