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Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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But some business users in rich countries buying Surface devices can't possibly make 10% global PC market share.

Why not? It does wonders for fruity devices.

A lot more regular people worldwide buy iPhones, not just business users in a few countries.

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Why not? It does wonders for fruity devices.

A lot more regular people worldwide buy iPhones, not just business users in a few countries.

I was talking about laptops and desktops, you know, what matters when the subject is Surface.

Successful enough that made Apple start shipping keyboards with the iPad to compete in that segment, as laptop wannabe.

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How does opening up the walled garden impact you if you never side load anything?

It's the same for people who want homosexuality to be forbidden. It's not enough for themselves to not be homosexual, they also have to force their faith onto others.

Come on man, is this really a good faith interpretation of what I said? You will recognize that this feature means widening the attack surface for no value (if you're not sideloading apps)

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"Windows" didn't sell them a computer. Microsoft sold an OS to - for example - Dell, who then sold a computer to the user. So they are Dell's customers. And Dell, for sure, earned a lot of money selling placement on the Home Screen (or pre-installation) to 3P app developers. (Of course, there are also computers such as the Microsoft Surface, but these represent a tiny fraction of the universe of Windows computers eve…

1. Microsoft does sell users a computer. Sometimes. Surface devices represent about 10% of all desktop computers. 2. Apple also sells Macs, where developers can access "Apple's customers" unencumbered, without needing to play by Apple's rules (developers may also opt-in to a lower-form of "playing by Apple's rules" by submitting their apps to Apple for notarization, or naturally, they may also opt-in to the Full Rule…

As I said in my original note: "(Of course, there are also computers such as the Microsoft Surface, but these represent a tiny fraction of the universe of Windows computers ever sold...)"

According to Gartner, "Surface has never had more than 2.1% of the PC market."

At 2.1%, they're basically a non-player in the market.

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1. Microsoft does sell users a computer. Sometimes. Surface devices represent about 10% of all desktop computers. 2. Apple also sells Macs, where developers can access "Apple's customers" unencumbered, without needing to play by Apple's rules (developers may also opt-in to a lower-form of "playing by Apple's rules" by submitting their apps to Apple for notarization, or naturally, they may also opt-in to the Full Rule…

>Surface devices represent about 10% of all desktop computers. Really, Surface has THAT MUCH?! I honestly doubt it. I think I've only seen 4-6 surface devices in the wild in my life(in Europe). Maybe in the US they have 10% market share.

According to Gartner, Surface has never been more than 2.1% of the global market.

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It's the same for people who want homosexuality to be forbidden. It's not enough for themselves to not be homosexual, they also have to force their faith onto others.

Come on man, is this really a good faith interpretation of what I said? You will recognize that this feature means widening the attack surface for no value (if you're not sideloading apps)

If you are not sideloading apps, your attack surface is unchanged.

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But, for little Timmy to buy diamonds in a mobile game from an alternate store he would have to install the alternate store then "borrow" his parent's credit card to register with the new store. If "little" Timmy is pulling those sort of shenanigans then I suggest his parents have bigger problems and they probably won't blame Apple at all.

The "Alternate store" might just be Epic's own store, the one with Fortnite. A big trustworthy name in the parents' eyes. Then the parents insert their CC info so Timmy can get the latest Disney skin for his game. And of course the store doesn't have any safeguards or parental controls, they're on the iOS side. In the official store. Can you seriously, hand on heart, tell me that people will in this case blame Epic f…

Apple should be to blame. Even registered and paying iOS developers aren't allowed basic sideloading privileges you'd get for free on Android. This isn't about stopping Little Timmy, this is about annihilating all avenues of app distribution that doesn't come from Apple. If Apple took a softer stance on this earlier, then developers wouldn't be up-in-arms right now.

And mind you - nothing actually stops Apple from designing a safe and respectful sideloading system like MacOS. They actively choose to make iOS a diminished and neutered platform for profitability purposes. People will blame Apple, and they will be right - Apple brought this upon themselves. There is no one else to blame.

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But, for little Timmy to buy diamonds in a mobile game from an alternate store he would have to install the alternate store then "borrow" his parent's credit card to register with the new store. If "little" Timmy is pulling those sort of shenanigans then I suggest his parents have bigger problems and they probably won't blame Apple at all.

Now think about this scenario: the parent approves installation when asked because they didn’t realize it was an open ended financial commitment, and because like most people they associate app stores with curation which prevents abuse. When they get a huge bill 6 months later, or after the game company is acquired, etc. the first thing they’re going to ask is why nobody warned them. That’s the point of these dialogs…

Today, Timmy's parents learn what a "chargeback" is, and how stable financial institutions help circumvent fraud better than App Store curation does.

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30% is just too much and they don’t give anything near enough value for devs or App Store consumers.

Traditionally, when faced with something that isn't a good deal, you don't buy it.

The point is not that they can do it it’s whether it’s reasonable. Obviously.

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Come on man, is this really a good faith interpretation of what I said? You will recognize that this feature means widening the attack surface for no value (if you're not sideloading apps)

If you are not sideloading apps, your attack surface is unchanged.

So it's impossible for that mechanism to be insecure? There is a 0% chance it could be exploited to load software onto my phone? There is a 0% border guards at a country won't make me install an app to come into the country? I can understand you valuing tradeoffs different from me but not acknowledging that there is any risk (when it's already shown to be a risk on android) just comes off as zealotry or bad faith
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