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Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation
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Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation
#42I'm not surprised by the iMessage decision*, but on the Bing case I'm personally still on the bench. I guess that API-only use is exempt from DMA? * Americans, virtually no one uses iMessage outside your country, or at least to the point that it'll force you to get an iPhone. Even Japan, with their love with iPhones, uses a homegrown service for their messaging needs.
>Even Japan, with their love with iPhones, uses a homegrown service for their messaging needs.
Meanwhile Europe uses another US tech giant's service. The simple answer is that most of Europe is not wealthy enough to afford iPhones and not adept enough at developing competing services without first kneecapping competition with regulation.
Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation
#43No real surprise about iMessage and Bing. They are not dominant communication methods/search engines at all, at least within my social circles (in Sweden). Some useful info about who the gatekeepers are/which parts of their platforms have been designated at gatekeeping: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/gatekeepers_en . Includes a nice diagram!
The diagram was helpful. Have you seen anything similar that summarizes what it means for services to be designated this way?
As an aside, it strikes me as vaguely protectionist to see that it’s only 6 companies and none of them are European… (maybe that’s a hot take?)
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
TikTok is one of the largest social networks. It absolutely is a gatekeeper to information for millions of EU citizens.
https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1334334/social-media-user... TikTok is only 3rd in EU, Facebook has 2x the amount of users Besides, to quote this article: > However, the EU probe found that iMessage falls outside the legislation because it is not widely used by businesses. TikTok is not used as social media for "businesses", why include it then? ;) Microsoft's Bing? lol what about Linkedin? Debunking propaganda is…
https://i.imgur.com/MKte3iR.png
That's a sign! I am the messiah they didn't expect!
Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty common in the UK. I think iMessage is common in English speaking countries with high iPhone usage.
I use SMS/iMessage for most one-to-one messaging, but never for group chats. For groups, I use only WhatsApp and a little Signal. I'm in the UK.
I got into Telegram for group chat, I was surprised at the saturation of WhatsApp when I went overseas.
Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation
#46I'm not surprised by the iMessage decision*, but on the Bing case I'm personally still on the bench. I guess that API-only use is exempt from DMA? * Americans, virtually no one uses iMessage outside your country, or at least to the point that it'll force you to get an iPhone. Even Japan, with their love with iPhones, uses a homegrown service for their messaging needs.
>Even Japan, with their love with iPhones, uses a homegrown service for their messaging needs. Meanwhile Europe uses another US tech giant's service. The simple answer is that most of Europe is not wealthy enough to afford iPhones and not adept enough at developing competing services without first kneecapping competition with regulation.
So if people had more money (which in western Europe they already do) they'd be buying more iPhones?
Get out of here..
Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation
#47I wonder if this will lead to a reversal on supporting RCS, as I feel it was motivated to keep regulators at bay and now that iMessage is found to be exempt I don’t know if Apple has any incentive to follow through
RCS is there to head off further antitrust laws (e.g. in the US) that might force them to open up their messaging platform. Announcing RCS and then canning it the moment they head off one jurisdiction's first attempt at a law would be counterproductive.
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#48I believe the assertion suggesting that iMessage plays a pivotal role in the success of the iPhone and contributes significantly to Apple's business is inaccurate. The iMessage platform, in itself, does not possess an inherent quality that renders the iPhone more appealing to consumers. On the contrary, it is the iPhone's inherent appeal that enhances the attractiveness of iMessage. The prestige of the iPhone imparts a certain allure to iMessage, establishing a relationship where the iPhone acts as the catalyst for iMessage's appeal, rather than the reverse. This is why the the iPhone is still a status symbol among the middle class and richest people in the EU, Asia and India - even though they couldn't care less about iMessage over there.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Even Japan, with their love with iPhones, uses a homegrown service for their messaging needs. Meanwhile Europe uses another US tech giant's service. The simple answer is that most of Europe is not wealthy enough to afford iPhones and not adept enough at developing competing services without first kneecapping competition with regulation.
So if people had more money (which in western Europe they already do) they'd be buying more iPhones? Get out of here..
European countries that have high disposable income like the US have higher market share of iPhones. In general, iPhones owners are wealthier across the board than Android phone owners.
Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
TikTok is one of the largest social networks. It absolutely is a gatekeeper to information for millions of EU citizens.
https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1334334/social-media-user... TikTok is only 3rd in EU, Facebook has 2x the amount of users Besides, to quote this article: > However, the EU probe found that iMessage falls outside the legislation because it is not widely used by businesses. TikTok is not used as social media for "businesses", why include it then? ;) Microsoft's Bing? lol what about Linkedin? Debunking propaganda is…
The relevant criterion is "has at least 45 million monthly active end users established or located in the Union and at least 10 000 yearly active business users established in the Union" https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
Of course businesses use TikTok for marketing; I'd be surprised if there were less than 10000 businesses with a TikTok account in the EU.
LinkedIn is indeed one of the four social networks designated as gatekeepers: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_23_...