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The dating app paradox

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Re: The dating app paradox

#31
Dating apps for most people seem like a complete waste of time and actually detrimental to your life. There are exceptions, of course, like people much too busy.

As a male, it seems guaranteed (probably due to supply vs demand disparity?) that you will only have matches that are significantly less attractive than you. I think most people will consider me average in looks. I don't think I've ever matched with a girl that was average on online dating in the 5 years I tried it. I also got professional photo help and put a lot of effort into it etc. As another commenter mentioned, more than half the women I met up with also had an STI.

There has been some research done on the attraction thing, and it has been shown that if women don't know you, they are exceedingly likely to rate men as mostly ugly. If they do know you, however, their ratings are more of a bell curve. So if you want the most attractive possible match (for you), and have the best chance at someone you have the most chemistry with, I think you have to just meet a lot of women in person and get to know them first. It is unfortunate because people are seemingly less social nowadays? So it is kind of a problem that makes itself worse.

Re: The dating app paradox

#32
Originally responding to a flagged comment that stated you were weak for not talking to people in person:

You’re not wrong, but the in-person dating pool is small and the stakes are high. I am very recently divorced, dating single for the first time in nearly 25 years after finding my wife stole $300K from the family and had been carrying on an affair for 18 months while I thought our finances and love were at an all time high.

Dating apps at 45 are a literal fucking cesspool. Like any online community, there are norms and nuances which are incredibly difficult to come up to speed on and, frankly, are miserable to navigate.

That said, finding those who are open to in-person dating interactions is almost impossible these days. We’re missing The Third Place and folks have been trained to use apps to date and thus are unlikely to engage in person.

That said, I was super fortunate to find a beautiful single woman in my apartment building who was not only receptive but has been a really great friend and person to “date” in the traditional sense as I knew it 25 years ago.

But, I was incredibly fortunate and I’m not sure it’ll work long term; putting me right back into the dating apps potentially. Where not wanting to parent additional kids (my own or someone else’s), eventual marriage, or even something super serious or super casual is attractive to me. I am not in a place where sex after 1 to 3 dates is something I desire. Nor am I interested in having super deep emotional conversations or thoughts about some sort of future together before I meet someone.

That said, to poo poo dating apps is a Luddite view of the world. They do work and people are using them. We have regressed as a social society in the last 25 years and these apps offer a wide dating pool for people to explore without The Third Place or the uncomfortable experience of navigating these waters in person and potentially the offensive and negative experiences in-person interactions can create.

Best of luck to everyone out there. I hope you find what you’re looking for and the pains and anxiety that come from either method.

Re: The dating app paradox

#33

I have a somewhat unrealistic dream that someday dating apps will be viewed the same way as roads: Essential infrastructure that needs to be handled by the public. A government developed dating app whose only goal is to help people find healthy relationships. All my american friends balk at this. But as a swede, I dont think it is completely impossible. The completely impossible dream would be that we as a society st…

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Re: The dating app paradox

#34
If you're interested in this sort of thing, I can recommend creating an account on your dating app of choice with the opposite gender.

The experiences are as different as night and day - and the different user groups have completely different requirements of the product.

The article is interesting, but IMHO they've really missed the key asymmetries that make good dating apps so hard to build.

Re: The dating app paradox

#35
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's less insane to trust the Swedish government to implement something like this responsibily than the US government. As a US citizen, absolutely no thank you to a government dating app, it's too ripe with temptation for them to be overreaching and irresponsible with the data they collect.

I own NSAdates.com — any takers? ;)

This is the ultimate business. You don't have to even host profiles, these guys can "background check" each other.

It'll just be a just of names.

Err...aliases.

Re: The dating app paradox

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post #9

I have a somewhat unrealistic dream that someday dating apps will be viewed the same way as roads: Essential infrastructure that needs to be handled by the public. A government developed dating app whose only goal is to help people find healthy relationships. All my american friends balk at this. But as a swede, I dont think it is completely impossible. The completely impossible dream would be that we as a society st…

The Government could also match people based on a political agenda. I don't know why they would do that, but the idea fascinates me. Any creative types want to spin this into a "Black Mirror" script?

Match the similar view or opposite views? :)

Re: The dating app paradox

#37
post #9

I have a somewhat unrealistic dream that someday dating apps will be viewed the same way as roads: Essential infrastructure that needs to be handled by the public. A government developed dating app whose only goal is to help people find healthy relationships. All my american friends balk at this. But as a swede, I dont think it is completely impossible. The completely impossible dream would be that we as a society st…

The Government could also match people based on a political agenda. I don't know why they would do that, but the idea fascinates me. Any creative types want to spin this into a "Black Mirror" script?

And every pretty girl _somehow_ ends up matching with an employee of governmentdatingservice.com.

Re: The dating app paradox

#38

Originally responding to a flagged comment that stated you were weak for not talking to people in person: You’re not wrong, but the in-person dating pool is small and the stakes are high. I am very recently divorced, dating single for the first time in nearly 25 years after finding my wife stole $300K from the family and had been carrying on an affair for 18 months while I thought our finances and love were at an all…

For anyone like me, wondering what a Third Place is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place

Re: The dating app paradox

#39
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Quote from the article: > Call it the dating app paradox: dating apps are supposed to be matching lovebirds together, but once they do, the lovebirds fly away — and take their money with them. I wonder if Feeld, Bloom, etc in the ethical non monogamy / polyamorous dating landscape will escape “enshittification” because their happiest users (who find good matches) stick around looking for more friends.

The idea is solid.

I meet most of my partners in real life just out and about, and only used online apps for very specific kinky stuff (which has caused me to get banned from regular dating apps lol). I still lament the loss of craigslist, so I installed Feeld.

However, Feeld is fucking terrible. One of the worst apps I've ever used in my life.

The design is good in theory, you can swipe through profiles without having to make a decision, then go back and say yes or no to partners at your leisure. You can list pretty much whatever you want in your profile as long as you keep the public pictures PG13 to keep the app store gods happy. You can pay for more matches or to send pings (extra notifications that people can see without matching you), or pay a fee to see everyone who has ever matched with you. The business model is super straightforward, no deception there.

But it is honestly the buggiest app I have ever used in my life. I would get a message notification and I would have to restart the app each time to view a message. I thought maybe it was just my cheap-ish Android phone, but I confirmed with my friend who uses a more expensive iPhone that the same thing happens for him. He could barely get it to work as well. We are both tech professionals.

They also never seem to address key complaints in design. To keep it hacker news safe, let's say you are interested in spanking. You can list "spanking" in your interests area, but there is nothing to indicate if you want to spank someone else, be spanked, or both.

I think they are clearly coasting on the lack of competition in the space, and after a major update it got even worse.

I decided I would no longer use it because I don't want to meet people with such low quality standards for software, because what else might they have low standards for in life?

Re: The dating app paradox

#40
> And that creates a problem for the sellers of used cars that are actually good. These sellers are like, "What the heck?! I KNOW my car isn't a lemon! It's worth way more than what you're willing to pay!" And so they refuse to sell their used car and exit the market. The result is a market where lemons become more prevalent.

Lots of truth to this. These days, dating apps seem to be exclusively for the desperate, horny, and desperately horny; as the article says, the younger generation doesn't even use them.

Even if you're just a "normal" person not in that top ~20% of attractiveness/desirability, and have no chance of matching with those top 20%, that top 20% still needs to use your app. Otherwise, everyone else using it starts thinking that the app is made for the undesirable. Nobody wants to think of themselves as undesirable! And everyone wants to swipe right on a 10/10 girl or guy and hope they somehow get lucky.

When the only attractive people left on your platform are OnlyFans advertisement bots, your dating app is pretty much fucked, no matter how many genuine 6/10 romance-seekers you have.

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