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The myth of big salaries (it's all marketing)

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Re: The myth of big salaries (it's all marketing)

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Career prospects are another axis I would say.

That's just money with extra steps.

It is power with money as a side effect. An important distinction.

Say you go broke or get divorced or whatever, the experience and connections help you get back on your feet.

Re: The myth of big salaries (it's all marketing)

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Ok, so capitalism isn't your thing. Fair enough. I wonder where the limits are though. What if I save up and take a month off? Is that immoral? What about 6 months? A year? Or do I have to have some justification for it that you find acceptable (like having kids or mental health, etc?) Or is it just immoral to not be constantly working while other people are working?

To a first approximation, you work for one hour, you get to consume stuff that requires one hour of work to produce. I don't care if you work your ass off for some time and then retire early or if you work very little or very much as long as your consume at most a proportional amount.

Nice, the labour theory of value and the lump of labour fallacy lumped into one

Re: The myth of big salaries (it's all marketing)

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Want to know something weird? A convenience store or liquor store is much more likely to be robbed than a bank.

That isn’t weird at all. A residential home is also more likely to be robbed than Fort Knox. It goes back to the required preparedness of the robbers. Either way, I wasn’t the one who picked the example. Seth didn’t ask “should a liquor store employee be payed more than a bank teller”. Which wouldn’t be a good example either, as we’d be comparing too many different axis.

Devil’s advocate: they’re both clerks and the liquor store is more dangerous, so yes they should be paid more

Re: The myth of big salaries (it's all marketing)

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Number of millions matters when donating to your favorite charity or political lobby, too.

I'm sure that's important to some people, but I'd be very surprised if that's why most millionaires are still going to work every day.

True.

Re: The myth of big salaries (it's all marketing)

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I would have paid double my taxes over my career if the US would spend it on elevating the poor. But asking me to not retire, to give away my savings to very few people? What, that’s not ethical. What if I made a lot, but spend very little? Shouldn’t that weigh in, if your issue is consumption level? What if in my early retirement, I go around lifting people up in non-monetary ways? What if my job earned me a lot of…

My point is very simple and we do not have to discuss all the edge cases. Working x hours and consuming stuff that took y hours to produce where y is much larger than x is unjust. All the rest are details.

I make widgets. I work 8 hours and make 8 widgets. In my spare time I make a machine to make widgets for me.

I've finished my machine, and it can make 16 widgets in 8 hours as long as I turn the crank. So I sit and turn the crank for 8 hours a day and make 16 widgets. Am I immoral yet? I just doubled my productivity for the same amount of work.

Now I pay someone to turn the crank for me. They work 8 hours and I give them 8 widgets, and I keep the other 8. They are doing the same 8 hours of work that I was doing, and I do nothing but make sure they keep turning the crank.

Am I immoral now? Why? I built the machine and I get 8 widgets a day out of it, the same amount I got when I was building them by hand. The crank turner also gets 8 widgets in 8 hours, the same amount I was producing by hand.

So the crank turner does less work for the same output, I do no work for the same output. But both of us have the same resources as my competitor who makes 8 widgets by hand.

Is it moral for the crank turner to exchange their 8 widgets for his? What about me?

Re: The myth of big salaries (it's all marketing)

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My point is very simple and we do not have to discuss all the edge cases. Working x hours and consuming stuff that took y hours to produce where y is much larger than x is unjust. All the rest are details.

I make widgets. I work 8 hours and make 8 widgets. In my spare time I make a machine to make widgets for me. I've finished my machine, and it can make 16 widgets in 8 hours as long as I turn the crank. So I sit and turn the crank for 8 hours a day and make 16 widgets. Am I immoral yet? I just doubled my productivity for the same amount of work. Now I pay someone to turn the crank for me. They work 8 hours and I give…

In the first case no, in the second yes.

Great that you reduced the need to work. You are a hero to society.

Not great to use that as a reason to control others.

Re: The myth of big salaries (it's all marketing)

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I make widgets. I work 8 hours and make 8 widgets. In my spare time I make a machine to make widgets for me. I've finished my machine, and it can make 16 widgets in 8 hours as long as I turn the crank. So I sit and turn the crank for 8 hours a day and make 16 widgets. Am I immoral yet? I just doubled my productivity for the same amount of work. Now I pay someone to turn the crank for me. They work 8 hours and I give…

In the first case no, in the second yes. Great that you reduced the need to work. You are a hero to society. Not great to use that as a reason to control others.

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Re: The myth of big salaries (it's all marketing)

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This article is pretty shallow and sounds a lot like the people on Reddit calling for the removal of billionaires and how its the fault of the rich that they are struggling without acknowledging the amount of work it takes to become rich. The same people that minimize what people like Musk have accomplished. If I get paid more, I work harder. There is obviously a realistic limit on how hard I can work. The longer I s…

> The same people that minimize what people like Musk have accomplished. Oof, I agree in general with what you're saying but Musk is a bad example. His companies have been successful in spite of him, rather than because of him.

come on friend. I can understand someone getting lucky, happening to hire the exact right person and the company succeeding due to the hard work of someone else. Once. But this guy is so lucky that he managed to do it in: SpaceX, Paypal, Tesla, Neuralink, and The Boring Company.

Even if Neuralink and Boring company are not profitable, the sheer scale and potential of the ideas are incredible. I understand why people don't like Musks opinion on many things but to infer that he has somehow become the richest man in the world by accident is disingenuous.

I thoroughly dislike Trump as a person and know that much of what he accomplished was given to him. Even with that said, the guy is successful and became the 45th president of the United States and has a cult like following in a good portion of the US. I have no issue acknowledging his success despite my personal objection to him in general.

Re: The myth of big salaries (it's all marketing)

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Thanks! It looks like I can safely retire in `null` years! I'll put the champagne on ice.

It looks to be inflation adjusted, so null means never since your safe withdrawal rate will always be less than expenses.

Yep, I got that - hence the "thanks!" :|

Re: The myth of big salaries (it's all marketing)

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Likely this is a summer at sleep away camp. Although tbh I've usually seen something closer to ~10k for a summer away. Presumably you could pay more for spending a summer in an immersive camp experience or do multiple high end camps spread over the summer.

The private chefs and specialized tutors for niche subjects add up (I wish I was joking, not that I ever sent any of my kids to one).

Yeah, I’ve been debating the utility on that one. From observation, my daughter does better with a group of strong peers. While she’s still young (3) nothing motivates her to do something like seeing another kid do it.
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