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> $500/year per patent, will ensure use it (if you think it is valuable) or lose it. Not really. Some patents are fantastically valuable to patent trolls. Some are not. A $500/year fee isn't going to deter a "company" of lawyers who are making millions soaking businesses with patents that should never have been granted. If you want a scheme that actually does what you want, you'd need something like: The owner of the…
> The owner of the patent chooses the fee that they pay per year. And anyone can pay that fee * the remaining years on the patent * some multiplier (probably in the 2-10 range) to prematurely end the patent. So basically ending patents? If you invent something fantastic, say a way for a self driving car to perfectly sense its surroundings, Ford could just come in and pay whatever amount to invalidate your patent and…
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You either die a hero or you live long enough to become a villain.
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#173Software patents should not exist.
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Ok I'll bite, why stop at software?
The point of the parent system is to prevent knowledge from being lost to humanity. It encourages disclosure on how unique and novel things work in return for a limited monopoly. If inventions were not patented then we can lose the ability to make them, which isn’t as insane sounding as you might expect. Preserving this knowledge for the future of humanity is critical.
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#175A major source of this problem IMO is the granting of bullshit patents in the first place - patents that should never have been granted because they’re obvious and/or there was prior art. Patent clerks aren’t actually subject matter experts in the field, and there’s little incentive for them to deny bullshit patents. They maybe deny them once or twice, but dedicated companies just keep applying and eventually get them granted, because the applicant has a major incentive to get the bullshit patent, and the patent office has only minor incentives to deny bullshit patents. I think these incentives need to be changed - for example, if company A sues company B over patent C, company B spends $10 million on their defence, and wins with the patent being deemed invalid, I think company B should get MAJOR financial rewards from BOTH company A and the patent office, on the order of 10x+ what they spent on their defence. If granting a bullshit patent was a $100 mil mistake, patent offices would be WAY more careful with the patents they grant, and applying for patents would be WAY more expensive, and those are both good things!
The right incentives could keep the good parts of the patent system while eliminating the (currently pretty massive, out of control) downsides. Patents are currently a mediocre idea implemented incredibly poorly.
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Patents are property and we need taxes/fee on it. $500/year per patent, will ensure use it (if you think it is valuable) or lose it. This is no different from domain names, most people pay $10 - $100/year just to keep a domain name. Some domain names are used, most aren't. These taxes can fund free education or healthcare or defense.
Domain names pay per year because there's an ongoing service attached. There's no such thing for patent (besides fee to file) Why punish patent holders because of patent trolls or garbage patents ? Make it unprofitable to be a troll, and they will go away. Trolls need to be tagged , like pirates. There should be rules to make hunting for trolls profitable. For that, you need a "bounty". Here's my take: In any patent…
So TrollCo will just pay a different homeless person $100 to be the owner on paper for each of their patents?
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#177At the end of the day, this is a deep legislation issue, patents should not exist at all. They are supposed to promote innovation, in practice, it's more about protecting guys who sitting and waiting for passive cash. Once we give exclusive rights to all AI stuff to Nvidia, is the world going to be a better place ? What would be with ChatGPT if Google actually had enforced (or enforces) patents on Transformers. Is th…
The reasons people are for/against patents are political. A rightist view would be that patents allow first-to-the-finish-line inventors to reap financial awards that lead to success and freedom. A leftist view would be that the opportunity cost of patents is an increased cost (analogous to a tax) on everyone else in the form of licensing fees and barred entry to markets as improvements in science and technology make patents more obvious than innovative.
If we don't reform the system by at least reducing patent durations to something reasonable like 3-5 years, then that will create an incentive to operate outside the market. People will just use open source and 3D printing to build their own stuff, rather than purchasing it from someone else. In other words, more patents = bigger black market and smaller market/profits for those operating legally.
It's not a good look anymore to favor policies which encourage corruption. Other examples of unintended consequences include the War on Drugs, the Citizens United decision, NAFTA, etc etc etc. We know better now and we can do better, rather than letting special interests dictate the manner in which we do business.
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Ok I'll bite, why stop at software?
Having a time limited monopoly on new drugs seems required considering the costs involved in getting drugs through the regulatory framework.
Or the patent protection is contingent on limits to marketing and admin overhead
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#179So we should understand that we don't have a way to be perfect and think about where to balance the trade-offs.
We want to give people a chance to make money before they are wiped out by those that copy them but I don't think we have an interest in someone "cornering the market" indefinitely.
We could reduce their lifetime - that would cut a lot of decisions.
We could limit the amount of money a patent is allowed to return based on an estimate of what it cost to create plus a reasonable profit rather like a kickstarter campaign.
We could cancel software patents altogether.
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There are research companies who only do research and get money by licencing their patents. I mean, I really would like to live in a world without patents, but currently those companies do provide value, but cannot exist, without guarding their IP. Yet they would cease to exist, with your proposal.
Why wouldn't they be able to exist? If you invent something, there's a work product. There is documentation, notes, blueprints, CAD files, software, etc. You can sell this and license it however you want. You can sue people that use it without a license. More importantly, you as the original author can use the IP as you see fit. All of that is what I would put under the category of "use it." If you stop licensing it,…
These would only be protected by copyright. So if you invent something but do not have the resources to create the implementation yourself (and therefore cannot patent the invention under the scheme proposed by GGP), but you licence the work products (documentation, software) to one or more companies who can then implement it, a larger, well-resourced competitor can just reimplement it without paying you as long as they did not need to use any of your documentation or software. So that reduces the value of your work products.
But if the converse happened, e.g., your customer reimplements something invented by the large competitor, they can get sued, because the large company, being able to implement their invention, can therefore file a patent. So it amplifies the effect of having more resources.
It would be fairer to treat the large company the same way, and only let them copyright the work products rather than patent the invention, putting them on the same level as a smaller inventor.