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Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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Apple used to see IBM as the bad guy but somehow they've become a thousand times worse than IBM ever was.

> Apple used to see IBM as the bad guy but somehow they've become a thousand times worse than IBM ever was.

I think you would have a hard time establishing that 202x Apple is worse for independent developers than "Big Blue" IBM, let alone three orders of magnitude worse.

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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Just wow. Good for Apple! I DO want IOS to remain a walled garden as such. Look how many clicks those pesky do good gov regulators have a cost the world with those annoying "Yes I accept your damn cookies and privacy policy" on every website I visit.

Writing apps for IOS is a completely voluntary job where you know the terms before you start. Don't like it? Don't write it -or- just pass on the cost to the consumers.

Quit complaining about the noise when you bought a house next to an airport.

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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There are companies besides Apple that developers trust, so your argument is invalid. Apple equals Apple, not trust.

This isn't about developers, it's about Apple customers. to them iPhone = Apple, not developers

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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Apple's seeking to comply with the letter, rather than the spirit, of the law in order to maintain their ability to extract rents from the App Store. It's user-hostile (particularly given that they've now hobbled PWAs) but not surprising. Their behavior won't change without additional regulatory action.

I don’t think the text of the law says anything remotely about Apple’s margins for access to their users being too high. How then can that be in the spirit of the law?

If you disagree, educate me.

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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I think something missed when these issues are discussed on sites like this is just how ignorant of computing the average user is. What would be obvious for us "oh it's not from official app store, so I know to apply extra scrutiny" isn't even describable in most people's mental model of computers/smartphones. I don't want my loved ones getting scammed or hacked by people utilizing these new "freedoms". Why can't all…

Imagine if you said the same thing about computers: why do you need to install sw from anything but Microsoft store? Why can't you sideloader people need a different browser than Internet Explorer?

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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I'm as disappointed in the new rules as anyone, but I'm going to call this one as most likely just a missing implementation rather than malicious. The new Browser Engine Kit that allows alternative browsers to be installed is really a very deep integration. It's not just swapping out the browser and engine that users open as an app, it's swapping out all system integrations – webviews embedded in apps (in certain typ…

Yeah it was too much work to support PWAs in the EU for this beta. But they managed to have time to implement it for the rest of the world

I think that’s a little disingenuous, it already works for the rest of the world so of course they had time to implement it, grabbing where you live via an internal API and disabling functionality is easier to do than implementing a browser selection prompt and exposing possibly new APIs to new browsers.

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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The app store is not secure or trusted. They've shipped malware. App store reviewers have not launched one of my apps in the last... _34 releases_. Their last open was >6 mo ago. They review my releases, some with 100k LoC diffs, in Their reviewer account was actually broken once for 4 months, and we always passed review anyways. Yes, I can tell if they used another account because once shipped Apple review is the _o…

Of course, this should surprise no one. It is harder to read code than to write it, and Apple doesn't spend 12 trillion dollars per year on code review.

To clarify, Apple can't see our source code but I imagine they can easily diff things like binary size and have basic decompiler tools to analyze things like what system APIs are called (how they bust you for private API use etc).

When we ship an update that adds a whole new branch of functionality that adds camera/mic interactions where there were none before (with all the new entitlements that requires) and the reviewer approves it without ever launching the app I laugh at comments like the GP

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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This is a complicated issue. On the one hand, I tend to have a generally unfavorable view of apple. I don't like closed systems, oversimplified to the point of missing critical settings UX, etc. That said, I really don't understand the issue with their cut, or insisting on handling payments. In the vast majority of cases, these are not your customers. These are apple's customers they have given you access to. If the…

Agreed. Apple has a full right to collect as much money as it can from users of the platform they've built and maintain.

I wish the cut was more like 50%, to benefit my stocks, while I'm using exclusively FOSS and pay nothing.

These devices are so shiny and great status symbol. I recommend everyone should be in Apple ecosystem and develop applications for it.

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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This is a complicated issue. On the one hand, I tend to have a generally unfavorable view of apple. I don't like closed systems, oversimplified to the point of missing critical settings UX, etc. That said, I really don't understand the issue with their cut, or insisting on handling payments. In the vast majority of cases, these are not your customers. These are apple's customers they have given you access to. If the…

> That said, I really don't understand the issue with their cut, or insisting on handling payments. In the vast majority of cases, these are not your customers. These are apple's customers they have given you access to.

This is not true at all. Netflix customers are Netflix customers, not Apple; the same goes for Amazon Kindle, Spotify, etc. Netflix literally cannot include a link to netflix.com in their app, otherwise Apple would pull the app from the store.

The smaller the app, the more those users are Apple's customers. But obviously we don't want a world where we penalise small developers more than large ones, so that's not a solution either.

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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This is a complicated issue. On the one hand, I tend to have a generally unfavorable view of apple. I don't like closed systems, oversimplified to the point of missing critical settings UX, etc. That said, I really don't understand the issue with their cut, or insisting on handling payments. In the vast majority of cases, these are not your customers. These are apple's customers they have given you access to. If the…

The cut is too universal and not neuanced. If it was a 30% cut on profits, that would make sense, and everyone would grin but deal with it.

But if you sell something for a 10% markup, having to give that + 20% to apple is bad. And now people ask "why do I have to pay more for your service on apple vs android". And now you're in a fun PR battle.

In cases of say fortnight, there are real server costs involved. Not to mention dev costs. In cases of say music, there's licensing you pay. If you order food, you are already working in the margins.

This makes competition vs big boys even harder. How can I compete vs netflix if any streaming service I make who doesn't have netflix's negotiation power has to pay 30% of every payment. I can't get close to netflix's price.

The list goes on.

The point is, it isn't just a grin and move on problem :(

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