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Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

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Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

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Post by BobaFloutist »

brvsft wrote: post #88
wahnfrieden wrote: post #78

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> Since the implementation of the ‘Remain in Mexico’ policy in 2019 and Title 42 in 2020, asylum seekers sent to Mexico have experienced kidnapping, rape, extortion, and other abuses by organized crime and Mexican officials. > When the United States sends migrants to Mexico, criminal cartels are enriched by kidnapping them and then extorting money from their US-based family members to secure their release. Just to co…

How is the US responsible for Mexicans raping other Mexicans? Is it our responsibility to stop all bad things from happening or just those that happen in Mexico? Should we have a police force on Mexican soil?

> How is the US responsible for Mexicans raping other Mexicans?

...Because we're all human beings?

Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

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Post by 2024throwaway »

brvsft wrote: post #80
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #64

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This is a really shitty take. I don't think you're a decent person if that's how you truly feel.

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Sounds a lot like an abuser saying “as long as there are no visible bruises, they’re fine”.

Except way worse because you’re fine with bruises apparently. Death is where you draw the line. Disgusting.

Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

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Post by devnullbrain »

anon291 wrote: post #130
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #83

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Two wrongs don't make a right in the eyes of the law I'm afraid. That said, there's been plenty of cases where the punishment for a crime was lessened due to the circumstances, like assault in self-defense. Dunno if that applies to theft vs wage theft though. That said, it's not a crime if you don't get caught. This too goes both ways.

If I were on a jury, I'd acquit. I have been on a grand jury and did choose several times not to indict someone that didn't do anything wrong. Juries are the final check on government power and jurists ought to exercise that power appropriately.

There's a ~90% chance it won't even go to trial.

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Post by pierat »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #119
pierat wrote: post #59

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In reality.... If you steal $100 worth of food from a store, they'll call the cops and arrest you. If the store steals wages from you in the tune of $1000+, its a.... CIVIL MATTER (waves hands).

Nah. No one will get arrested for even stealing $1000s of dollars of luxury items on camera (at least in CA, a trend setter for other states). https://amhsnews.org/10386/justice-awareness/shoplifting-the... > On September 30th, 2023, Governor Newsom signed into law Senate Bill No. 553, essentially making it illegal for retail workers to confront looters, burglars, and shoplifters. > A Walgreens employee working in Sa…

Hell, I worked at $retailer for a time, and even their statements were to "DO NOT ENGAGE SHOPLIFTERS". Worse yet, I can scarcely imagine some $12/hr being told to chase after shoplifters... That's gonna end up being shot or shivved.

And frankly, there were times in which I saw people steal food. And in those cases, I never saw a thing! Especially when formula was being "acquired".

One time, during Black Friday, someone stole a whole register full of cash. Again, not my job and not my problem.

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Post by andsoitis »

> Eventually Martinez and several of his co-workers left after not getting paid for four weeks of work.

If my employer fails to make even a single paycheck I would immediately be looking for another job because the chances are that it isn't that they're looking for free labor, but rather that they have cashflow problems. I am not interested to depend on a sinking ship for my income.

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Post by [deleted] »

sneak wrote: post #57
marcus0x62 wrote: post #51

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> An anonymous tip and a few inspections of staff logs and payrolls would make it pretty easy to make this disappear. And culturally treating it like any other theft: a crime that should subject the thief, in a practical sense, to the risk of imprisonment.

Property crimes are rarely enforced against the ownership class. Law enforcement in the US exists to enforce the social order and class structure; they have no legal obligation to investigate or prosecute crimes. The system is working as intended.

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Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

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Post by brvsft »

Cheer2171 wrote: post #109
brvsft wrote: post #80

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What about the topic of this thread: wage theft? Should migrants have less rights to the product of their own labor not being stolen than citizens, just because they are not citizens?

What is your point? Wage theft occurs regardless of migrant status.

Why are you asking me to be responsible for the tangential discussion, that I did not start, on migrant status? Or are you going to post this exact same question to everyone up the chain including people you already agree with?

Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

pierat wrote: post #144
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #119

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Nah. No one will get arrested for even stealing $1000s of dollars of luxury items on camera (at least in CA, a trend setter for other states). https://amhsnews.org/10386/justice-awareness/shoplifting-the... > On September 30th, 2023, Governor Newsom signed into law Senate Bill No. 553, essentially making it illegal for retail workers to confront looters, burglars, and shoplifters. > A Walgreens employee working in Sa…

Hell, I worked at $retailer for a time, and even their statements were to "DO NOT ENGAGE SHOPLIFTERS". Worse yet, I can scarcely imagine some $12/hr being told to chase after shoplifters... That's gonna end up being shot or shivved. And frankly, there were times in which I saw people steal food. And in those cases, I never saw a thing! Especially when formula was being "acquired". One time, during Black Friday, someo…

You do realize that people who steal formula use it to cut drugs?

https://city-attorney.columbus.gov/pdf/press/babyformulaband...

There are a lot of organizations that give out formula for free but not at scale required for nefarious uses.

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Post by wahnfrieden »

danaris wrote: post #132
wahnfrieden wrote: post #4

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There's no voting solution to gaining that unfortunately

Well, not today . But if this year you vote for candidates who are more favorable to labor than the other candidates, and then you continue making that (part of) your strategy over the course of several elections, you can start to shift things. Especially if you can get other people on board with the movement. It's not like the current situation came about by chance or some cosmic inevitability: the right wing in Ame…

You would have happily voted for Hindenburg?

Labor wins that we have today have come from coordinated labor movements across partisan lines, not from voting and waiting on service from politicians

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