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Re: Ask HN: What are the best articles on managing people?

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Really recommend The Manager's Path by Camille Fournier I find it's really more a practical guide, less so a "recipe of success" that other self-help tend to be. https://www.amazon.com/Managers-Path-Leaders-Navigating-Grow...

Best book I've read on it, really respect the Author after reading it. She is wise and a good follow on Twitter.

Re: Ask HN: What are the best articles on managing people?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha, wow, I remember reading this when it was written. I do think it's probably a bit too cynical though, probably colored by the author's own world-view and personal experience. I do think that some companies are just filled with BS; don't get me wrong. But I think that there are also a subset of companies who are filled with people trying their best, but who are making mistakes and/or being incompetent in a way th…

Overly cynical indeed and incomplete. It's profound for someone 5 years out of college. I know the intent, but I found this typo funny > Once the steaks are high There are much better "this is how things ACTUALLY work" takes like Ribbonfarm's "Gervais Principal" [0] to feast on. [0] https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-...

/This is a reply to a reply (which I thought was thought-provoking) but commenter deleted it. I'm posting regardless to flesh out my thoughts.

>...that still doesn't mean they will do what you want them to do.

I get the generalization/perspective, but I reject the premise that you can't influence or manage subordinates to "do what you want." While you can't avoid your subordinate (a) daytrading their job or (b) empirebuilding for the sake of empirebuilding, you can for sure mitigate with monitoring, prioritization, and termination.

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I don't know the context of the Larry Page story, but the qualifier of "early Google" makes my point that they were still figuring out their leadership presence as rising managers/leaders. Jobs was also a known micro-manager. The answer, I assume, is that they began to realize how to manage results and I bet they could get a random employee to "do what they wanted," but prefer a different approach.

> learning to be hyper-aware of how your employees' agendas/motives can subvert your goals

I don't disagree, but there are checks and balances you can incorporate as a principal. The Gervais Principle takes it one step further by incorporating how these "subverters" can be useful to take risks that if things work out (and nobody gets caught), you get a pat on the back and the bonus. But, if you get caught (for doing something illegal but highly profitable), well we have to fire you. Either way, the principal is getting subverted, but it's not always against the principal's wishes.

Re: Ask HN: What are the best articles on managing people?

#125

I’m reading some articles on managing people all the time (mostly from Software Lead Weekly newsletter). And recently, I’ve opened Armstrong’s Handbook of Human Resource Management Practice to read a few chapters on a problem I’m facing at work. And WOW a proper book on the topic is SOOO much better than any random article that I find, be it from SWLW, HN, Reddit, or any other source. Articles and posts are easy to l…

I found this blog post by rand pretty enlightening:

https://randsinrepose.com/archives/the-update-the-vent-and-t...

Re: Ask HN: What are the best articles on managing people?

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I think Peopleware deserves a mention: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peopleware:_Productive_Proje...

Peopleware doesn’t get the love it deserves these days. I mentioned tom demarco to my vp of eng at former gig and they clearly didn’t know wtf i was talking about… When i was picking up some team lead responsibilities for the first time, it was the first book suggested by my then mentor who was an experienced manager.

IDK, I read some reviews about this book and it seemed to be written for a time before remote work. It looked overly worried about office organization and dynamics. Is it true? Because those ideas made ti fall in my priority list form management reading.

Re: Ask HN: What are the best articles on managing people?

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I'm a big fan of Turn the Ship Around! By L. David Marquet as fun read that shows what some good leadership can do by pushing responsibility to the lowest appropriate level in an organisation. https://davidmarquet.com/turn-the-ship-around-book/ The anecdotes are good fun. I've not used it specifically as a model but I like the general principles it represents.

I liked that book too.

One problem I have with it, and with many similar books, is that it tells managers to move to a less directive way of steering people. This is very good for quite a lot of existing managers. But it's not very good advice for non-established leaders.

If, for example, you're not very assertive anyway, you might find that everybody has already taken the authority to do whatever they want. In that case you need to be a bit more assertive and directive.

This might be a less common failure mode for a ship's commander, who is already a very senior leader and has a strong formal authority. But if one day a manager tells a seniorish programmer "maybe lead the juniors a bit more", you're in a whole different position, and you need a very different strategy.

The "I intend to" advice is pretty good for non-managers too. In some companies you may find that no one is willing to stick their neck out too much. In that case communicating what you intend to do, and doing it unless stopped, gives you perfect cover. If it's actually a problem, people will say. If people are just scared to put their name on something, they won't stop you and you can improve things. You will also look like an A-player and a leader.

Re: Ask HN: What are the best articles on managing people?

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peopleware doesn’t get the love it deserves these days. I mentioned tom demarco to my vp of eng at former gig and they clearly didn’t know wtf i was talking about… When i was picking up some team lead responsibilities for the first time, it was the first book suggested by my then mentor who was an experienced manager.

IDK, I read some reviews about this book and it seemed to be written for a time before remote work. It looked overly worried about office organization and dynamics. Is it true? Because those ideas made ti fall in my priority list form management reading.

> It looked overly worried about office organization and dynamics. Is it true?

No.

[Ed: it is concerned with organizational dynamics - like senior management dreaming up release dates after talking amongst themselves - but they can (and do) do that in closed teams meetings or management/leadership zoom strategy chats...]

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