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Distinction: lying in order to give someone gifts vs lying to take their money.
That doesn't mean you kill them!
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The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]
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Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]
#42If you like things like this, you might also like The "Making of Star Wars" books by J.W. Rinzler [0]. They provide a view of how the story was made, the people who made it, and many interesting facts.
[0] https://www.amazon.com/Making-Star-Wars-Definitive-Original/...
Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]
#43Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]
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Wow. So, "stringing people along = murderable offense". Got it.
Keep in mind that not everyone shares the same morals, even in the same localized society. There are, unfortunately, people who think that killing someone who disagrees with or even lies to you is perfectly acceptable. The question is... what does society do with such people?
But in that case, wouldn't the sketchy lying guy be the villain in the story? How could it be neither of them?
Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
This script is good evidence they made up the connection part way through Empire. Also, if Lucas already had it in mind for Star Wars, I doubt he'd have Obiwan straight up lie about it.
I don't even consider it a straight up lie. I know we have decades of this built into our culture, and its been basically ret-conned, but... "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father" I could still see Ben making this metaphor for the internal struggle Anakin dealt with, not wanting t…
Pretty sure it was as much a part of planning the first episode as his later decision to have Anakin build C3PO. The early Star Wars scripts and materials are all over the map, there was no plan. This script just makes that all the more clear.
Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lucas only came up with the idea that Anakin = Vader after the original Star Wars was out, when he was revising the script for Empire. Before that we were supposed to take Ben Kenobi at face value when he said that Darth Vader betrayed and murdered Luke's father.
Wow. So basically, if one line of dialog in A New Hope had been less ambiguous as it happened to be written... Vader wouldn't have been Anakin?
More likely it would just be left to the fans to come up with their own justifications for the retcon, like most other inconsistencies in Star Wars.
Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
What was the relationship then? In a New Hope, it’s known that Anakin was Vader, right? And they knew Luke was Anakin’s his son. Obi wan mentions Anakin being corrupted by Vader. And the fight at the end, Vader now the master, etc. Was it really still a question of Vader and Anakin were different people until the second movie came out?
This script is good evidence they made up the connection part way through Empire. Also, if Lucas already had it in mind for Star Wars, I doubt he'd have Obiwan straight up lie about it.
But the "I am your father" wasn't in the shooting script anyway. The script said "Obi-Wan killed your father", and it was changed to "I am your father when James Earl Jones" said the line for the voice of Vader. Maybe it is that way in subsequent published scripts but not the original.
Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lucas only came up with the idea that Anakin = Vader after the original Star Wars was out, when he was revising the script for Empire. Before that we were supposed to take Ben Kenobi at face value when he said that Darth Vader betrayed and murdered Luke's father.
Wow. So basically, if one line of dialog in A New Hope had been less ambiguous as it happened to be written... Vader wouldn't have been Anakin?
I'd say the original already isn't ambiguous: Kenobi directly tells Luke that Vader murdered his Father. The "from a certain point of view" scene had to be added in ROTJ to explain away the retcon.
Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]
#49If you like things like this, you might also like The "Making of Star Wars" books by J.W. Rinzler [0]. They provide a view of how the story was made, the people who made it, and many interesting facts. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Making-Star-Wars-Definitive-Original/...
Can vouch for J. W. Rinzler's books. All of the ones I have are phenomenal and really help contextualize the creation of some of the best movies of the past 50 years.
Re: The Empire Strikes Back First Draft by Leigh Brackett (1978) [pdf]
#50I always wondered how the empire explained they had blown up alderan to all the planets. When part 5 began one could reasonably expect the rebellion to be much bigger.. Maybe the answer is in this PDF
The point was to instill fear in any would-be dissidents; This effect might have cancelled out any increase in determination the attack might have spurred.