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Re: Finding a new software developer job

#41
> One company used an IQ test

This is interesting. I haven't had that one yet, but last week I had an application with a "personality" test that asked whether I tend to vote for left-leaning candidates or right-leaning candidates. This company was in the healthcare space.

GitHub asking for approval for AI to review my resume was a bit of a beat too. I did not give permission, and it definitely left me feeling at a disadvantage to other candidates.

Re: Finding a new software developer job

#42

Bit of a rant but I also have been job hunting after a layoff and their experience sounds like a dream. I have only gotten email rejections thus far and only 1 phone screen. It feels like most of my rejections are just automatic emails. Some of them come same day. The most demoralizing thing happens when you get rejected for a job and then see a new listing for that same job go up just moments later. You were rejecte…

Try running it through chatgpt. Give your resume and give job discretion. Ask if your resume is a match for this job. You will be surprised.

What’s your learning about this? I just tried it and it’s very interesting how specific the analysis is.

Re: Finding a new software developer job

#43

I don't question that is takes hard work, even for more senior devs like the author, but 30 apps leading to 3 offers is a dream. Most early-career people are probably at >100 app with maybe a few interviews and hopefully one offer.

I guess I got lucky in when I started out as a career switcher in 2017. Iirc I applied 6 places, had 4 interviews, got 2 offers. Mind you this was as an effectively junior person applying to mid-level positions. I like to think that having so few interviews allowed me to concentrate my enthusiasm and highest mental energy into the interviews I had, but maybe it's just survivors bias.

Since then I've taken 3 interviews and gotten two great offers in the 50+% percentile for US based software engineering roles. I'm a not-that-bright grug-brained developer, so I'm sure it wasn't because I was blowing people out of the water with my brain power.

I'm not sure I have the energy to do a numbers-game applicant strategy. I hate interviewing generally, and live coding causes my brain to lock-up. So I only apply places I am genuinely excited to work for, and places that I reason would be generally excited to have a good team player who is nonetheless a grug-brained developer.

I can get genuinely excited about pretty run-of-the-mill work though, and have strong opinions very loosely held. I think maybe those two qualities are my secret sauce.

Re: Finding a new software developer job

#44
post #8

Did I misread or did you end up taking a remote job (specializing in crypto, company based in Zug, CH) and you’re based in Stockholm?

That's one of those questions I simply could not answer on the spot. My brain would immediately go into needing to know how long it takes on average to connect, why it takes so long, if the user's connection is bad, if we could load the content from the connection async, and so on...

Re: Finding a new software developer job

#45

Bit of a rant but I also have been job hunting after a layoff and their experience sounds like a dream. I have only gotten email rejections thus far and only 1 phone screen. It feels like most of my rejections are just automatic emails. Some of them come same day. The most demoralizing thing happens when you get rejected for a job and then see a new listing for that same job go up just moments later. You were rejecte…

I'm not sure why you think companies have an obligation to talk to every candidate that applies.

It's pretty common to get hundreds of applications for any open role now, and the most visible companies get thousands of applications. A majority of those applications can be disqualified from the resume alone.

It would be a massive waste of everyone's time to talk to every applicant.

Re: Finding a new software developer job

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not crazy. Some of these are probably what 30 minutes? Tech interviews 60 mins? So what, five hours? Remember when on-site interviews meant an hour total commute plus say six hours of total interview plus lunch event. Some high demand companies put candidates through more than one round of that. Not to mention if you were flying from out of town... I remember a friend who interviewed with Google and got stuck…

Hope they got the Google job then??

He did not.

Re: Finding a new software developer job

#47

Bit of a rant but I also have been job hunting after a layoff and their experience sounds like a dream. I have only gotten email rejections thus far and only 1 phone screen. It feels like most of my rejections are just automatic emails. Some of them come same day. The most demoralizing thing happens when you get rejected for a job and then see a new listing for that same job go up just moments later. You were rejecte…

Rejections are great info, especially quick ones. It's the companies that never respond or start the process then ghost that are the real problem. There you learn absolutely nothing.

Re: Finding a new software developer job

#48
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not crazy. Some of these are probably what 30 minutes? Tech interviews 60 mins? So what, five hours? Remember when on-site interviews meant an hour total commute plus say six hours of total interview plus lunch event. Some high demand companies put candidates through more than one round of that. Not to mention if you were flying from out of town... I remember a friend who interviewed with Google and got stuck…

I remember when on-site interviews were an hour and that was it. All this stuff companies do now is insane. If a person isn't performant, you'll know within 30 days, but you'll never know by interviewing them. I haven't had to cold interview in 20+ years. I hope I never have to based on how it works now. I get all my jobs from previous colleagues. Companies are closing the door to a lot of great talent based on this…

Sometimes you’ll know during interviews. A long time ago, I interviewed someone who claimed something like 5+ years of Java development, and literally couldn’t write:

class Foo {

}

On the whiteboard.

In any context.

That one saved us a lot of time.

It wasn’t some weird out of context thing either, he just literally didn’t know how to write Java at all. Even approximately.

Re: Finding a new software developer job

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post #32

Remember: Finding a job is a sales process. You are selling a $1,000,000+ product (yourself over N years of anticipated tenure). How would you approach making a million dollar sale if it wasn’t called a job? Do that. Your CV or resume is sales collateral. Focus on warm and hot leads over cold calling. Vet your leads with conversation, make sure you really can solve their problems, then give them your sales material.…

> How would you approach making a million dollar sale if it wasn’t called a job?

I’d be like, “This sounds like a job a professional salesperson should be doing. I’m gonna go get a job as an engineer, I’m much better at that.”

Re: Finding a new software developer job

#50

If you are job searching, it's dangerous to go it alone. Take this: "An Engineering Leader’s Job Search Algorithm" https://docs.google.com/document/d/19fr_36WOzKlq_zyGP2RdxMEs...

At 83 current visitors, I think this is the most actively viewed Google Doc I've seen!
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