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The Samsung Galaxy S III: The First Smartphone Designed Entirely By Lawyers

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Re: The Samsung Galaxy S III: The First Smartphone Designed Entirely By Lawyers

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that hasn't been true since long time now, especially so since ICS That's plain out wrong. I'm on a Galaxy Nexus with ICS. Scrolling and responsiveness are still major issues. In 2012 I expect my phone to respond instantly and scroll smoothly, in all but the most extra-ordinary situations. iOS demonstrates how it's done. On Android ICS my touches still incur a random lag that prevents me from tapping "by muscle memor…

I seriously don't know what you are complaining about. Bought my GNex straight from Google and it is hardware accelerated, is stock Android, had no bloat ware at all, all apps scroll butter smooth and there is no random lag or jerkiness. And I am not alone in liking GNex over the iPhone.

Try e.g. the calendar (swipe left/right). Or pretty much any 3rd party home-screen. Or pretty much any 3rd party dialer. Or, frankly, pretty much any 3rd party anything.

Re: The Samsung Galaxy S III: The First Smartphone Designed Entirely By Lawyers

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This has to be one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. So because the phone has some differences to an Apple trademark (which may or may not hold up in court) it is safe to assume that Samsung's designers intentionally designed around the iPhone because the iPhone's design is just so badass?

Now certainly there had to be consideration of existing patents and trademarks. I can assure the author that Apple's designers and lawyers make the exact same considerations in their designs.

I like the iPhone design. It's okay. I like this phone's design better, and I'm going to be buying one when it goes on the market in June. I was about to buy another iPhone, but decided to hold off for this one because I like the design better. I'm not saying the iPhone is poorly designed. It's just not the optimal design for me. I like a larger screen and a slimmer profile. I prefer blue to black. You see, there are many, many worthy smartphone designs out there.

Re: The Samsung Galaxy S III: The First Smartphone Designed Entirely By Lawyers

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You are fooling yourself if you think the iPhone is always smooth all the time, every device experiences hiccups at times. Android used to be worse at this but has come a long way with 4.0.

You are fooling yourself if you think the iPhone is always smooth all the time, every device experiences hiccups at times. When I read such claims I can't help but wonder, have you even used an iOS device recently? It's a night/day difference for the constant touch-lag alone. On iOS the screen "sticks" to your finger, on android it runs noticeably behind and even the simplest screens choke. I can't remember having ev…

Here is a video of my 2 year old Nexus S running ICS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCy_urYqDEM

I am going to assume that your aren't trolling and just aren't familiar with what you are talking about. I was using a 3rd gen iPad just a couple of days ago where the keyboard choked for a good second when I opened the browser and tried to type right away.

iOS has advantages when it comes to speed for sure. One of the big things is the user can't screw it up like they can on Android, I've seen many Android phones that are the equivalent of Internet Explorer with 15 toolbars. Android has true multitasking and unfortunately that means that you have to be aware of the apps that you install aren't crappilly coded and running in the background eating CPU and RAM.

I think

Re: The Samsung Galaxy S III: The First Smartphone Designed Entirely By Lawyers

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The community design is an "and", not an "or". The Galaxy Tab model which had issues with this in Germany, if you look at it, has all , not just one, of those characteristics. The "Apple thinks it owns the rectangle" meme is nice, but untrue. Nilay Patel, in the Verge article linked by Android Community: Now, some of these are a little ridiculous when taken individually — is Apple going to sue every digital photo fra…

>in the end, the main question for the court will be whether or not Samsung has used all of these elements in a way that's likely to confuse consumers about what they're buying.

I don't believe design patents hinge on whether the consumer would be confused; that's for trademarks. Design patents are for protecting the aesthetic idea, just like regular patents are for protecting a technological idea.

Re: The Samsung Galaxy S III: The First Smartphone Designed Entirely By Lawyers

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post #94

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You are fooling yourself if you think the iPhone is always smooth all the time, every device experiences hiccups at times. When I read such claims I can't help but wonder, have you even used an iOS device recently? It's a night/day difference for the constant touch-lag alone. On iOS the screen "sticks" to your finger, on android it runs noticeably behind and even the simplest screens choke. I can't remember having ev…

Here is a video of my 2 year old Nexus S running ICS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCy_urYqDEM I am going to assume that your aren't trolling and just aren't familiar with what you are talking about. I was using a 3rd gen iPad just a couple of days ago where the keyboard choked for a good second when I opened the browser and tried to type right away. iOS has advantages when it comes to speed for sure. One of the big…

Talk about cognitive dissonance. I see close to a 500ms lag on your homescreen swipes.

Here's a screenshot I took of your video at second 7:

http://f.cl.ly/items/2Q2o1n3o1V252e0g3i0e/007.jpg

Note where your finger is in that shot. It has already lost contact with the screen after the swiping motion. Meanwhile the screen hasn't even begun transitioning.

This may not bother you. But let's not pretend the latency doesn't exist when it fills enough frames in a low-quality youtube video to take a blur-free screenshot.

Edit: The issue is also documented here; http://gigaom.com/mobile/video-android-touch-lag-and-a-possi...

Re: The Samsung Galaxy S III: The First Smartphone Designed Entirely By Lawyers

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post #111

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I seriously don't know what you are complaining about. Bought my GNex straight from Google and it is hardware accelerated, is stock Android, had no bloat ware at all, all apps scroll butter smooth and there is no random lag or jerkiness. And I am not alone in liking GNex over the iPhone.

Try e.g. the calendar (swipe left/right). Or pretty much any 3rd party home-screen. Or pretty much any 3rd party dialer. Or, frankly, pretty much any 3rd party anything.

3rd party software needs to recompile with updated flags to make use of hardware acceleration.

Re: The Samsung Galaxy S III: The First Smartphone Designed Entirely By Lawyers

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Then they should read what's written on the box because its pretty damn clear. I mean going by that kind of thinking, one can mistake vodka and water. In fact its probably a LOT easier to mistake vodka and water than an iPhone 4 and a Galaxy S2. Vodka, water, same color. iPhone, Galaxy S.. not even the same color. Just a vaguely similar shape. Heh.

That's the whole point! The S and the SII weren't 'vaguely similar' to the iPhone, they were almost identical.

That's very much incorrect. The SII doesn't remotely look than an iPhone 4, except both are squared... different COLOR, different SIZE, different BUTTONS...

Re: The Samsung Galaxy S III: The First Smartphone Designed Entirely By Lawyers

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post #115

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Here is a video of my 2 year old Nexus S running ICS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCy_urYqDEM I am going to assume that your aren't trolling and just aren't familiar with what you are talking about. I was using a 3rd gen iPad just a couple of days ago where the keyboard choked for a good second when I opened the browser and tried to type right away. iOS has advantages when it comes to speed for sure. One of the big…

Talk about cognitive dissonance. I see close to a 500ms lag on your homescreen swipes. Here's a screenshot I took of your video at second 7: http://f.cl.ly/items/2Q2o1n3o1V252e0g3i0e/007.jpg Note where your finger is in that shot. It has already lost contact with the screen after the swiping motion. Meanwhile the screen hasn't even begun transitioning. This may not bother you. But let's not pretend the latency doesn'…

There where a few mis-swipes because of the way i was filming/holding the phone, not only that but I have a lot of widgets, which add to the latency of home switching, which you can tell the difference when I'm switching in the app drawer. Also that isn't a low quality youtube video, it was filmed at 1080p. Finally Gigaom is an Apple news site/blog not exactly the place one would go to get unbiased news/reports.

Re: The Samsung Galaxy S III: The First Smartphone Designed Entirely By Lawyers

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Which are still low numbers. My nexus one with animations disabled is sluggish. Mainly dragging maps is embarrassing. on the other hand, the 3gs of the time is also laggy. And it's not even on ios4

My wife's Nexus One doesn't seem to lag with default animation settings - running CM7. Both 3GS and N1 are arguably old devices in mobile times!

Cm7 here too. Open maps and start dragging it.

It's not the hardware power. It's bad coding. even gmaps fails at standard nonblocking coding for fluid interface.

Re: The Samsung Galaxy S III: The First Smartphone Designed Entirely By Lawyers

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The community design is an "and", not an "or". The Galaxy Tab model which had issues with this in Germany, if you look at it, has all , not just one, of those characteristics. The "Apple thinks it owns the rectangle" meme is nice, but untrue. Nilay Patel, in the Verge article linked by Android Community: Now, some of these are a little ridiculous when taken individually — is Apple going to sue every digital photo fra…

>in the end, the main question for the court will be whether or not Samsung has used all of these elements in a way that's likely to confuse consumers about what they're buying. I don't believe design patents hinge on whether the consumer would be confused; that's for trademarks . Design patents are for protecting the aesthetic idea, just like regular patents are for protecting a technological idea.

The article talks about both trade dress and design patents. That said a court's decision about design patents can involve whether a consumer would be confused. There's a short article that talks about the legal rules for design patent infringement at http://www.designpatentschool.com/assets/Oake_SEPT11%20V2.pd....
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