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Walmart, Delta, and Starbucks are using AI to monitor employee messages

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Re: Walmart, Delta, and Starbucks are using AI to monitor employee messages

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>>>> Using the anonymized data in Aware’s analytics product, clients can see how employees of a certain age group or in a particular geography are responding to a new corporate policy or marketing campaign >>>> “It won’t have names of people, to protect the privacy,” Schumann said. Rather, he said, clients will see that “maybe the workforce over the age of 40 in this part of the United States is seeing the changes to…

Since the edit window is closed, I'll just clarify that over-40 is a protected class in the US.

Re: Walmart, Delta, and Starbucks are using AI to monitor employee messages

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The real value if removing encryption is access for AI. If we don’t have a comprehensive privacy legislation, something like a bill of rights for privacy, tied to individuals, AI will become a tool of totalitarianism and total information thought control. Full stop. You can look at it though todays lens and argue this is just another application of machine learning, but it isn’t just a slippery slope but becomes a la…

Slowly Privacy is being redefined by many tech companies as "Your data is completely private and will never be viewed by any human".

That's corporate speak for "we will analyze your data by all other available means" and AI is the perfect tool for that.

Re: Walmart, Delta, and Starbucks are using AI to monitor employee messages

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US PATRIOT Act essentially normalized domestic spying with FISA courts rubber stamping warrants in the name of “war on terror”. Privacy advocates lost once those towers fell on 2001-09-11.

Millennials pushed the aging fossils into the digital world (e-banking/mobile banking, almost everything is digitalized today). Social media changed the way we interact with people. The concept of privacy continues to erode.

Gen Z and future generations continuing the trend. Often just giving away their information for likes/impressions/views. Everything has been recorded in one way or another. Relationships also built on “no privacy” (couples often know their phone passcodes …). Children raised in dystopian households where privacy does not exist (parents have access to everything). Future generations conditioned to obey.

Now it’s bleeding from private life into the work with invasive AI models deployed to determine seditious activity as deemed by Karen in HR or Jeff from C-level exec suite because he gets a nice kickback (via speaker fees) after getting approached by AI company.

Next level is totalitarian, surveillance state monitoring as depicted in 1984. Skip the middleman (private companies vacuuming up all the data and selling to govt).

Data. DNA. No stone unturned.

Re: Walmart, Delta, and Starbucks are using AI to monitor employee messages

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>>>> Using the anonymized data in Aware’s analytics product, clients can see how employees of a certain age group or in a particular geography are responding to a new corporate policy or marketing campaign >>>> “It won’t have names of people, to protect the privacy,” Schumann said. Rather, he said, clients will see that “maybe the workforce over the age of 40 in this part of the United States is seeing the changes to…

> a new corporate policy or marketing campaign

Reality: 50% of the workers never opened the e-mail. For the other half, average reading time was under 5 seconds. 40% of those who interacted with the e-mail deleted it. Two people "accidentally" reported it as junk mail.

Re: Walmart, Delta, and Starbucks are using AI to monitor employee messages

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As much as this turns my stomach, this is neither new nor unexpected, and honestly this is fairly benign to many of the things that companies do such as precision location tracking throughout the building, using company-issued phones, and using normal security surveillance to monitor "watercooler" talk and things like that. We had our chance to push back against company surveillance well over a decade ago, and nobody…

May I ask why privacy matters at work? Not trying to be a dick. But shouldn’t people at work be doing only the things they’re paid for on company time?

Privacy matters at work because the interests of the employee and the employer are in tension. Do you expect an employee to leave every personal item out of work? Should employees expect to not speak of their personal lives, or to have artifacts of their personal life leak into the workplace? To say that the boundary should be absolute is hopelessly naive. Privacy matters because it is a leaky barrier, and the employer should not be capable of retaining personal information they can use to emotionally extort or legally strong-arm their employee when it's useful for them.

Re: Walmart, Delta, and Starbucks are using AI to monitor employee messages

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Ok, exactly which communications does this AI monitor? This seems to be internal corporate coms (corporate email, internal chats) which are not subject to privacy. But the article is very unclear, leaving the reader to assume that they are monitoring social media or something else external to the organization. Internal company communcation channels are open to inspection by the company. Whether that company wants to…

There’s also the Goodhart-flavored line of argument here: at the moment, part of the sales pitch is that these internal conversation channels provide a meaningful view into staff’s reactions, dynamics, and states of mind.

Fire the first few folks for their AI-detected “toxicity,” and one imagines the wiser of their “toxic” friends will find other avenues for their bad behavior. Use sentiment analysis to sound out and reward the true believers in the corporate party line, and suddenly everyone will be Slacking effusive praise for the policies of the dear leaders.

The usefulness of this tech would seem to depend a lot on how the place is managed. The obvious worry is that the powers that be will smoke out dissenters, reward toadyism, and punish harmless individual differences. But I can also imagine a constructive management environment, where the “mothership” worries that their feedback from the line staff is getting distorted through layers of management sucking-up and bureaucracy; and imagining this type of analysis as some kind of independent finger on the pulse of the workforce. That seems like it might be useful for making genuinely good decisions.

Knowing a lot of true stuff and using it to rule out bad guesses we made based on false impressions, that doesn’t seem so bad to me.

Using what you know about an underling to punish them, police them, dehumanize them into nothing more than a pile of scores—that’s neither a new strategy nor one that leads to success.

History seems to show that, while that kind of excess may enforce ideological consistency in the near term, it’s intrinsically costly to the health of the [corporation|country|institution]. Over-condition on these signals, like any others, and you just produce a culture of performative compliance and doublespeak-you make the signal useless. And that leaves you in the same anemic information environment that you started in, the sort that tends to conceals problems until they become overwhelming.

Re: Walmart, Delta, and Starbucks are using AI to monitor employee messages

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>>>> Using the anonymized data in Aware’s analytics product, clients can see how employees of a certain age group or in a particular geography are responding to a new corporate policy or marketing campaign >>>> “It won’t have names of people, to protect the privacy,” Schumann said. Rather, he said, clients will see that “maybe the workforce over the age of 40 in this part of the United States is seeing the changes to…

If that's the intention everyone who uses this software opens themselves up to age discrimination lawsuits (40 years of age is the cutoff). This is either a really dumb way to market a product or it's actually meant to detect those discriminatory policies so employers can undo them before someone decides to sue.

I think you're assuming the software would be used to punish people who don't like the policies...but what if it's just used to help accommodate groups who don't like the policies?

Re: Walmart, Delta, and Starbucks are using AI to monitor employee messages

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I ask why privacy matters at work? Not trying to be a dick. But shouldn’t people at work be doing only the things they’re paid for on company time?

Privacy matters wherever you are. Even at work, most people like to believe they are trusted to do what they've said they are going to do without needing to be constantly monitored and micromanaged. Anything else is unsettling and oppressive. I would refuse to work at a company that expected me to give up my privacy during working hours.

> Privacy matters wherever you are.

Sure, but it doesn't really answer the question.

> Anything else is unsettling and oppressive.

I understand the argument to be made for monitoring employees as they move throughout the work site. If there is a building fire, then security can validate that I've made it out safely and they don't need to spend resources trying to find me in the building. I don't find this oppressive. I'm not even sure what I'm giving up for having my physical presence monitored at a work building.

I also agree that privacy matters, and I'll advocate for it. But, I frequently struggle to express why it matters.

Re: Walmart, Delta, and Starbucks are using AI to monitor employee messages

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post #53

US PATRIOT Act essentially normalized domestic spying with FISA courts rubber stamping warrants in the name of “war on terror”. Privacy advocates lost once those towers fell on 2001-09-11. Millennials pushed the aging fossils into the digital world (e-banking/mobile banking, almost everything is digitalized today). Social media changed the way we interact with people. The concept of privacy continues to erode. Gen Z…

>Skip the middleman (private companies vacuuming up all the data and selling to govt).

Why skip it? Keep it and enlarge it. Then you get to have your cake (total surveilance) and eat it too (it's not the government doing it! we're just buying those private sector data).

Same way you can censor as a government and still be all about "free speech"! You just let the private sector do the censoring - with a little carrot and stick encouragement from you, they know what they have to do and will even jump at the chance without you having to explicitly ask them.

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