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A rent-stabilized 1 bedroom apartment for $1,100 In NYC? broker's fee is $15K

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Re: A rent-stabilized 1 bedroom apartment for $1,100 In NYC? broker's fee is $15K

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These kinds of things are side-effects of "tenant's rights" laws. Some may consider it the end-goal, to be fair - as eventually you'd drive landlords completely out of business. The problem is that this is antithetical to higher density, because you need landlords of some form if you have anything denser than a duplex. You can have condos perhaps, but not everyone can afford to get into one, or even wants to. And if…

> Some may consider it the end-goal, to be fair - as eventually you'd drive landlords completely out of business. Great! Housing should never have been allowed to become a commodity.

This is really the theme of this thread. You hate renters and want a world of single family homes or massive government intervention. Landlords meet a housing need, taking property they own and subdividing it so it is affordable for others to live in an area.

Re: A rent-stabilized 1 bedroom apartment for $1,100 In NYC? broker's fee is $15K

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What things are essential? A tent, water fountain, and scavenged scraps will keep someone alive. Is a toilet essential, or could you just use the street like the birds and squirrels do without complaint? Is a bidet essential, or could you scrape your anus with paper until you see spots of blood like many americans do? Is internet access essential or could you just go to the library which is free and open to all? I th…

well, as someone who grew up extremely poor (to the point of living in a tent on the side of the river in HS) I'm here to tell you nothing you mentioned is essential. I looked up the average salary in NYC out of curiosity and I make well above the average there. but I live extremely cheaply and part of that is the lessons I learned as a child. I could afford a much bigger house, much nicer cars, more toys. I choose n…

> I'm here to tell you nothing you mentioned is essential.

Good, then nothing is essential and we can stop worrying about whether something is essential or not and go back to talking about desirable.

Re: A rent-stabilized 1 bedroom apartment for $1,100 In NYC? broker's fee is $15K

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Poland has a system where it's basically impossible to evict anybody if you rent under the standard rules. However, there exists a special type of contract which allows for quick and painless eviction, but where the tenant must provide proof that they have a place to stay at, either a deed to a property they own or a declaration from somebody who is willing to take them in. A lot of landlords insist on this type of c…

These kinds of things are side-effects of "tenant's rights" laws. Some may consider it the end-goal, to be fair - as eventually you'd drive landlords completely out of business. The problem is that this is antithetical to higher density, because you need landlords of some form if you have anything denser than a duplex. You can have condos perhaps, but not everyone can afford to get into one, or even wants to. And if…

I always found this funny, because housing is required for all of us but tenants rights is controversial where as all the incentives we give to builders / owners / landlords isn’t questioned nearly the same. Perhaps we should adjust those incentives more instead to align with tenants and occupancy home owners and stop treating everything about housing as investments

Re: A rent-stabilized 1 bedroom apartment for $1,100 In NYC? broker's fee is $15K

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> Your “non-essential” is someone else’s “essential”. I don't think this word means what you think it means.

I think you’re the one not quite getting it. For instance… I am medically… complicated. Living somewhere rural where I’m more than 10 or 15 minutes from an ER isn’t really viable for me. Well, I mean, it would be, right up until it isn’t.

My mother is the same way (quadruple bypass that didn't go well).

She absolutely lives near a hospital. I live in a city, just one that's LCOL. Hell, one of our hospitals is renowned for it's heart research.

Re: A rent-stabilized 1 bedroom apartment for $1,100 In NYC? broker's fee is $15K

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The UK has completely abolished fees (I think) for tenants - I am a reluctant landlord - and I completely agree with that, the power asymmetry in finding housing is already bad enough without allowing blank-cheque negotiations. In my section of Germany, housing is even worse with rent caps and tenant rights, plus a lack of housing. Tenants are hard to move on, so landlords are painfully cautious about getting the rig…

Land Value Tax: Make it financially unfeasible to speculate, to withhold units from the market, and to withhold unused land from the market. Let prices freely fluctuate with the market. Increases in rent derived from externalities (i.e. Amazon HQ2 setting up shop nearby or a new subway station) go back into public coffers, while increases in rent derived from landlord actions (i.e. renovations, building bigger, bette…

Why punish a low income grandma who put roots into a community that she contributed towards?

Why punish people who helped build the place? Why would you want to steal value from people who simply want to be left alone?

If you want to buuld you dont need to kick people out that have less than you. Instead, you have to make it easier for others to build. If the state makes that impossible via state taxes and regulation, blame the state not the citizen that simply wants to live happy.

Re: A rent-stabilized 1 bedroom apartment for $1,100 In NYC? broker's fee is $15K

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Because businesses need to make money to exist. Credit history == has successfully made other people money in the past, and if past behavior is indicative of future behavior, they likely will to someone else too.

I don't think this really has any relationship. You can open an account and never use it, and your credit score is just as good as someone who borrowed $10,000 at 30% APR and makes the minimum payment every month. Probably better, because lower "credit utilization".

Not true, based on everything I’ve ever seen for credit reporting.

Holding zero balances on accounts means you aren’t costing them money, which is better than defaulting on loans, not making payments, etc. but doesn’t mean you actually made them much money. People who never get into debt are generally not valuable customers for companies who make their money off interest.

People who require they keep book keeping/overhead for (aka keep active accounts), while not paying them money are actually costing them money.

If you show a past history of being able to cost them money, and then not actually doing so, or even making them money, that is certainly better than actually costing them money.

Aka, you held some debt for awhile, but made your payments and paid it off. Those are high credit score/low risk folks.

Having large outstanding credit balances (especially escalating ones) and only making minimum payments means you’re currently making them money, but are a relatively high risk of costing them money shortly in the future when you inevitably default. Which is a low credit score/high credit risk.

If you have high open credit, but rarely use it, they can’t tell if you’re high risk (you’re waiting to blow all your credit and leave the country) or low risk (would work yourself to the bone to pay every dollar back and would never overcommit) - but one thing is for sure, you aren’t actually making them money right now, and there is some risk you’ll max out your credit and disappear.

If you are paying ongoing interest and never default though, you’re the gravy customer for a CC company, as you’re be paying them waaaaay more interest than anyone else. So medium credit score, medium credit risk.

It’s a balancing act.

Someone with zero credit history is a complete unknown, which for various reasons is likely the highest risk of all, and why it’s also only slightly easier to get credit in that situation than if you were a serial bankruptcy machine.

Re: A rent-stabilized 1 bedroom apartment for $1,100 In NYC? broker's fee is $15K

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> I don’t want to live in the middle of no where even if the entire mortgage I think you should start visiting these areas before you say that. It takes me less than 5 minutes to get to 2 different grocery stores, a theater, a market dedicated to fish, a greek restaurant, a Mediterranean bar, a mexican restaurant (very good btw), Target supercenter, Lowes, various stores dedicated to clothes, one dedicated to hobbies…

> I think you should start visiting these areas before you say that. It is precisely because I spent the first 30 years of my life in such a place that I don't want to. Beleive it or not not everyone wants a giant lawn, white picket fence and 1.8 kids in the middle of incredible blandness, unworldliness, and closemindedness.

So your issue is emotional.

I won't speak to your story but that's not been my experience and yes, this is a conservative area. I'm left leaning but have friends on both sides of the aisle and of varying religions.

I did once get fired for admitting to being agnostic but I dismissed it as assholes, every area has assholes. By far most of the people I run with and encounter don't act like that.

Re: A rent-stabilized 1 bedroom apartment for $1,100 In NYC? broker's fee is $15K

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I'm in Texas, a state with pretty high property tax. We've also seen a ton of appreciation in recent years. Booming economy, transplants from other states, then the COVID factor. We also have a near free market on rent; I've been a landlord and not aware of any limitations. There are a couple limits on property taxes (namely a cap of 10% increase per year on "homesteads", and an Agriculture exemption for rural proper…

I am curios what you consider pretty high property tax? I am in Connecticut and they just reassessed the property. I say a 42% increase in assessment. Our rates are 23 mil.

If your property tax is 23 million dollars then your overall income would in proportion be well over 100 million a year to afford it reasonably no? To even own a home like that in the first place, you’d have to have a property worth over 100 million dollars if tax calculators are correct.

I think this is outside the realm of what most people run into affordability wise and frankly at that level of income I’m willing to bet affording the property tax is much less of a concern

Re: A rent-stabilized 1 bedroom apartment for $1,100 In NYC? broker's fee is $15K

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post #13

The UK has completely abolished fees (I think) for tenants - I am a reluctant landlord - and I completely agree with that, the power asymmetry in finding housing is already bad enough without allowing blank-cheque negotiations. In my section of Germany, housing is even worse with rent caps and tenant rights, plus a lack of housing. Tenants are hard to move on, so landlords are painfully cautious about getting the rig…

Poland has a system where it's basically impossible to evict anybody if you rent under the standard rules. However, there exists a special type of contract which allows for quick and painless eviction, but where the tenant must provide proof that they have a place to stay at, either a deed to a property they own or a declaration from somebody who is willing to take them in. A lot of landlords insist on this type of c…

Perhaps stop owning half dozen of mostly uninhabited apartments so tenant laws will not be your problem. It's that simple, seriously feck off with your money somewhere else. If you are so smart and rich buy something in Zurich or Monaco. Poor oppressed real estate hoarders. You want to hoard real estate, evict tenants at will, and masturbate to the perpetual growth of real estate price index.

> we don't really have a credit score system like the US does

Shady predatory credit rating agencies like in US or even Germany are abomination, it's a thing to avoid not to follow.

Re: A rent-stabilized 1 bedroom apartment for $1,100 In NYC? broker's fee is $15K

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because businesses need to make money to exist. Credit history == has successfully made other people money in the past, and if past behavior is indicative of future behavior, they likely will to someone else too.

If I pay a landlord rent every month, I make them money. I don’t need to take on any debt for that.

You are promising to keep paying them x amount of USD per month over time, in exchange for control of the asset and hence them taking on the risk of you trashing the place or that they could find someone willing to pay more during that time.

A loan has a risk to the principal that you’ll not repay it in full. A lease has a risk to the principal that you’ll drive down the value of the property or even destroy it. Same difference, approximately.

Both have the actual cost they’ll be worth less at the end of the term than they were beforehand, due to inflation and wear/tear.

The biggest difference between a loan and a lease is that instead of them giving you x amount of $ directly (aka exclusive control of that money), they’re giving you exclusive or semi-exclusive control of an asset they value at x amount of $.

And that the asset has an address attached to it, and you can live there.

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