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Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by Terr_ »

jowea wrote: post #73
neilv wrote: post #50

A recurring revenue opportunity for Reddit would be to forget about the old defender of online freedom image, and sell data. :) "How much is it worth to your case, to know who the commenters on this thread are?" "What would you pay to filter hiring candidates for ideology, troublemaker tendencies, or bedroom kinks that bother your conservative Chairman?" "Your own actuaries can tell you how much money this individual…

Oh yes one my favourite ~~TED~~ Onion talk business case studies: "The Power Of Selling Out: Your Customers As Political Capital - Onion Talks - Ep. 9" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8c_m6U1f9o

For when you don't want to risk a Long Firm scam.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by Terr_ »

EasyMark wrote: post #45
mysteria wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose it's possible the poster's IP is stored in the post metadata itself, along with the date, username, and so forth. Don't know if that's how Reddit works but in that case it'll be retained forever. As for the reason for 7 years worth of data, I think that's because the firm wants to go back and search for infringing acitivity on all those IP addresses due to dynamic IP updates and so forth. If the user is sti…

Yeah that's why it's good to start a new reddit account every year and delete the old one. As well as VPN, regularly changing mac address on your router etc.

Or if you're like me, Reddit will helpfully shadowban everything you ever wrote on your decade-plus account, while simultaneously claiming you can't use the appeals page because the account is still in good standing.

As a bonus, anything anybody ever wrote in response to me is gone too.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by DANmode »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #55
saghm wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the conversations went something like this: Film industry lawyer: Tell us everyone who pirated our movies. Frontier lawyer: We've told you everyone we know of. Film industry lawyer: What about those people on reddit bragging about getting away with it? Frontier lawyer: We don't have any way of knowing if those are actual customers, let alone if they're telling the truth. If you have a specific IP you want u…

I'm actually kind of surprised Reddit didn't just cooperate? As a company which frankly has been acting with particular contempt for users of late, how does Reddit profit from fighting this?

Goodwill, for an easy "fight" for a well-funded org with legal people "sitting around" on retainer.

Which they can subsequently burn on "more important" or more profitable user betrayals.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by wkat4242 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #62
neilv wrote: post #50

A recurring revenue opportunity for Reddit would be to forget about the old defender of online freedom image, and sell data. :) "How much is it worth to your case, to know who the commenters on this thread are?" "What would you pay to filter hiring candidates for ideology, troublemaker tendencies, or bedroom kinks that bother your conservative Chairman?" "Your own actuaries can tell you how much money this individual…

I'd love to see them try this, and then to watch the international backlash, not to mention holy GDPR fire raining down on their heads.

GDPR doesn't apply if they're really frontier customers. As they're not in the EU.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by dylan604 »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #67
dylan604 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just pointing out how ridiculous some post on a forum being used as evidence sounds.

For piracy yea, but what about something more extreme like murder?

Depends on the murder. We’ve seen gang killings hyped and liked on socials, and cops not doing a lot with it. We’ve seen social live streaming of organized looting and not much being done with it. We’ve seen cops on video committing heinous acts and getting away with it. So why do we feel making shitposts on socials is going to do much?

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by pyuser583 »

rpmisms wrote: post #66
delichon wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was there plausibly a threat in it? If it took the visit to realize that you're not very anonymous on the internet, you owe them for the lesson.

No, I know the line and have always been careful not to cross it. On the contrary, I resent them for the Gestapo tactics in retaliation for legal speech. I'm aware of my relative lack of anonymity online. You don't know who I am, I'm absolutely positive the feds do.

I’m not trying to be creepy or anything, but I clicked on your user name, and your profile has what looks like a real name on it.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by rpmisms »

pyuser583 wrote: post #86
rpmisms wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I know the line and have always been careful not to cross it. On the contrary, I resent them for the Gestapo tactics in retaliation for legal speech. I'm aware of my relative lack of anonymity online. You don't know who I am, I'm absolutely positive the feds do.

I’m not trying to be creepy or anything, but I clicked on your user name, and your profile has what looks like a real name on it.

Yes, it seems like that's my real name, doesn't it?

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by roygbiv2 »

EasyMark wrote: post #45
mysteria wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose it's possible the poster's IP is stored in the post metadata itself, along with the date, username, and so forth. Don't know if that's how Reddit works but in that case it'll be retained forever. As for the reason for 7 years worth of data, I think that's because the firm wants to go back and search for infringing acitivity on all those IP addresses due to dynamic IP updates and so forth. If the user is sti…

Yeah that's why it's good to start a new reddit account every year and delete the old one. As well as VPN, regularly changing mac address on your router etc.

The mac address is layer 2 and no one other than your ISP knows it. Changing it does nothing for your privacy since your ISP knows it anyway.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by 15457345234 »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #49

This past week I've gotten two people banned from reddit (full site ban). I was curious if it was possible so I picked some comments that I didn't think deserved a ban. The comments were more jokes than anything. Nothing serious. Maybe Frontier should hire me.

> The comments were more jokes than anything. Nothing serious.

Yeah if you're not spreading doom, gloom and negativity reddit doesn't want you, they have a tone and they're policing it.

Really is the most negative and grim place on the entire internet.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by thisislife2 »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #55
saghm wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the conversations went something like this: Film industry lawyer: Tell us everyone who pirated our movies. Frontier lawyer: We've told you everyone we know of. Film industry lawyer: What about those people on reddit bragging about getting away with it? Frontier lawyer: We don't have any way of knowing if those are actual customers, let alone if they're telling the truth. If you have a specific IP you want u…

I'm actually kind of surprised Reddit didn't just cooperate? As a company which frankly has been acting with particular contempt for users of late, how does Reddit profit from fighting this?

They are planning an IPO ... so this is good publicity for cheap and helps counter the bad PR they've been receiving from all their actions.
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