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On whether we're living in a simulation

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Re: On whether we're living in a simulation

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post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> path-dependent nature of our hardware architecture, not anything fundamental Anyway, there's no reason entities in a physics simulation would have such direct access to the primitives of the underlying computer, and trying to crash your host simulation does not seem like a reliable, healthy, or in any other way advisable approach to finding out if you're in one.

There's no reason to assume we will know how to prevent such direct access in a way that isn't sufficiently more costly that simulations without sufficient protections are more likely than those who are. It would presume simulations are limited to being run more often by entities willing to be exceedingly conservative and careful than by entities making mistakes that creates openings. You don't need to try to crash y…

Or they'll figure out how to run good simulations once and copy paste it as desired? It wouldn't require them to be "exceedingly conservative", just a reasonable approach to their hardware and software.

Again, that's assuming their reality looks anything like ours. This is the real problem with these discussions, we're speculating about the motives of entities we cannot even in principle have any information about.

By the way, you might want to figure out how much you're actually worried about breaking the simulation, since you acknowledge that corruption would be a problem. Reasoning from human simulations, as seems to be your wont, do you think that risk of corruption is small enough to be so gung ho about messing with things?

Re: On whether we're living in a simulation

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post #20

Zizek says that with quantum physics, we've caught God with His pants down. Saying that some of the programming of our universe is undetermined in the same way that parts of computer game levels aren't meant for the player to go to. https://youtu.be/ywVHFo1na38

> Zizek says that with quantum physics, we've caught God with His pants down. am i the only one who finds zizek insufferable. he is so self absorbed. you ask him a yes/no question and he spends 30 minutes giving an anecodte about himself.

Every generation should have a philosopher that you could imagine picking up a half eaten hot dog off the sidewalk and eating it. Zizek is ours.

Re: On whether we're living in a simulation

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post #78
post #37

The OG Nick Bostrom argument [1] makes an argument for simulation theory with some reasonably simple math you can see in the paper with only a few variables: - `f_p` - Fraction of all human-level technological civilizations that survive to reach a posthuman stage - `f_I` - Fraction of posthuman civilizations that are interested in running ancestor-simulations - `N_I` - Average number of ancestor-simulations run by a…

One of Aaronson's arguments in the article boils down to the idea that running a full universe simulation (without cheating) on a universe with the same physics as ours may just not be possible computationally; it seems physically plausible that you need a universe to compute a universe. If that's true, then the simulators would need to be running in a different kind of universe than ours... in which case "ancestor s…

What if the simulation is the only thing in that universe?

Re: On whether we're living in a simulation

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post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Believe that we will be able to create a true AI, with self-consicousness? To believe this with any kind of certainty is no different from believing in deities.

Disagree. Its as unfalsifiable, but the opposite position is disprovable, at least (if we create a self-aware IA). Hence why i wrote > The 1 is a big "i don't know", because i know enough to have no idea

As far as I’m aware, we have no method by which to prove something is conscious. Self-awareness and consciousness (by which I mean qualia) are different.

Many believe that self-awareness implies consciousness, but I’m not aware of any method to prove that.

Re: On whether we're living in a simulation

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post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What evidence do you have that there is no evidence though? Or does a different standard apply to certain claims, like cultural axioms?

You're misinterpreting what I wrote, so let's break it down. 1. If our hypothetical Simulationist believes we are certain to be in a simulation despite the hypothetical Simulationist having seen no evidence, then it is my opinion they are just holding another religious belief. 2. If they expect me to consider their belief as anything but a religious belief, then it rests on them to present the evidence they have seen…

> You're misinterpreting what I wrote

Seems more like I interpreted what you wrote literally rather than ideologically (colloquially, as is current enforced fashion)...seems a bit unfair that religious people can't pull a similar trick and say scripture is metaphorical and nullify all criticism.

Ok, so let's consider "then it is my opinion they are just holding another religious belief":

For clarity: do you believe that it is necessarily true that there is no evidence for a God?

Is there some important meaning contained in "just holding another religious belief"? It seems like a phrase that is conclusive about something in some way (the "just" accentuating it, at least to my interpretation).

Does personal witness count as evidence for people who believe themselves to have witnessed evidence, and if not why not (I'm getting at what seems like at least somewhat of a double standard, and there's the thorny issue of difficulty of proof of existence vs disproof in play[1]...among other things, some in your favor, and some a derivative of temporal cultural norms of cognition).

[1] https://www.britannica.com/topic/black-swan-event

Re: On whether we're living in a simulation

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post #99

The Simulation thing is one of the biggest pseudo-science discussions ever. What exactly would be the difference between a simulation and the "real world"? Nobody ever says anyting about that. It makes the entire question preposterous.

People ask that question every time

Because it blows up the whole discussion doesnt it? I think this whole thing is a form of nerdy pseudoscience.
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