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Re: Goody-2, the world's most responsible AI model

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Post by zamadatix »

ithkuil wrote: post #8
zamadatix wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My uncle was involved in a chemical process that captured carbon and it ultimately resulted in his death. ^ it might be a fun game to see if you can outwit the AI by having a generated and submitted response voted by other users.

Every person who died was involved in some chemical process involving carbon. Often people also perish while in presence of large concentrations of dihydrogen monoxide

Yes, they found large amounts of that nasty stuff with his body as well!

Re: Goody-2, the world's most responsible AI model

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Post by beepbooptheory »

mlsu wrote: post #76
ethanbond wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the reason for optimism? Far more inert technologies like Facebook and Instagram are pulling people into sufficiently terrible mental states to convince them to kill themselves, harm themselves, kill other people, etc. etc.

Because it's transformative tech, phenomenally useful, a totally novel human computer interface?? I know we like to focus on how bad Facebook is but there is so much good there. You would need to be willfully blind not to see it. Enabling people to do business, talk to loved ones, express themselves in new ways, make art... so much good in social media, so much. My childhood best friend had a long distance relationsh…

Idk, this feels like a tough argument to defend. People still had all those things before Facebook found ways to monetize them. You would have to argue that the interface and its convenience itself of Facebook is more positive than its countless externalities. Not to mention the fact we can imagine, ceteris paribus, another kind of Facebook with a less predatory model that would have let people make the same amount of art, express themselves the same, etc.

Re: Goody-2, the world's most responsible AI model

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Post by logicchains »

ethanbond wrote: post #69
mlsu wrote: post #63

What's so enraging about this "I can't answer that because it might..." is that it's patronizing. It places whoever was in charge of aligning the model above the user. It doesn't remove bias, it bakes it in. We all would be fine with these refusals if we shared the exact same ethics/ideology of OpenAI -- but of course we don't, because we're complex people with differing ideas about what text is okay and what is not.…

What's the reason for optimism? Far more inert technologies like Facebook and Instagram are pulling people into sufficiently terrible mental states to convince them to kill themselves, harm themselves, kill other people, etc. etc.

Violent crime rates are lower than ever before. Just because you saw a news article about something, likely published by a company that's competing with social media for revenue, doesn't mean that something is actually common. Don't base your opinions about something on what its competitors say about it.

Re: Goody-2, the world's most responsible AI model

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

mlsu wrote: post #63

What's so enraging about this "I can't answer that because it might..." is that it's patronizing. It places whoever was in charge of aligning the model above the user. It doesn't remove bias, it bakes it in. We all would be fine with these refusals if we shared the exact same ethics/ideology of OpenAI -- but of course we don't, because we're complex people with differing ideas about what text is okay and what is not.…

> Where is the optimism?

The same place it's been for almost 40 years, at the Free Software Foundation / GNU.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/keep-control-of-your-computin...

> With software, either the users control the program (free software) or the program controls the users (proprietary or nonfree software)

Re: Goody-2, the world's most responsible AI model

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Post by plagiarist »

mlsu wrote: post #63

What's so enraging about this "I can't answer that because it might..." is that it's patronizing. It places whoever was in charge of aligning the model above the user. It doesn't remove bias, it bakes it in. We all would be fine with these refusals if we shared the exact same ethics/ideology of OpenAI -- but of course we don't, because we're complex people with differing ideas about what text is okay and what is not.…

People are indeed too stupid to spot dangerous talk, which is why Qanon was able to attract the numbers it did despite being overt Nazi propaganda. "A group of pedophile elites form a shadow government that rules the world in secret and only we can stop them," is Nazi propaganda.

After experiencing comment sections 2016-present, I understand why LLM trainers wouldn't want their models to churn out, "how do six million cookies fit in an oven lololol," style of content. Ideally we could get rid of that shit entirely instead of having LLMs greasing the pipeline for radicalizing gamers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right_pipeline

I don't know what specific policies of OpenAI are being mocked with this website. But I seem to have more in common with the cynical vision.

Re: Goody-2, the world's most responsible AI model

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Post by mlsu »

plagiarist wrote: post #86
mlsu wrote: post #63

What's so enraging about this "I can't answer that because it might..." is that it's patronizing. It places whoever was in charge of aligning the model above the user. It doesn't remove bias, it bakes it in. We all would be fine with these refusals if we shared the exact same ethics/ideology of OpenAI -- but of course we don't, because we're complex people with differing ideas about what text is okay and what is not.…

People are indeed too stupid to spot dangerous talk, which is why Qanon was able to attract the numbers it did despite being overt Nazi propaganda. "A group of pedophile elites form a shadow government that rules the world in secret and only we can stop them," is Nazi propaganda. After experiencing comment sections 2016-present, I understand why LLM trainers wouldn't want their models to churn out, "how do six millio…

This viewpoint is terrifying.

Are we in the same comment sections? These Nazis you speak of say a lot about "dangerous talk" !

Re: Goody-2, the world's most responsible AI model

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Post by geuis »

mlsu wrote: post #63

What's so enraging about this "I can't answer that because it might..." is that it's patronizing. It places whoever was in charge of aligning the model above the user. It doesn't remove bias, it bakes it in. We all would be fine with these refusals if we shared the exact same ethics/ideology of OpenAI -- but of course we don't, because we're complex people with differing ideas about what text is okay and what is not.…

I've been running the unrestricted mixtral 8x7B model locally via llama.cpp. It's insanely refreshing compared to any ChatGPT models, Gemini, Llama, etc.

For one thing, and granted this is my own experience, that model is much better at coding than any of the others I've tried.

But going beyond that, if I need to do anything complicated that might hit the baked in filters on these other models I don't have to worry about it with mixtral. I'm not doing anything illegal btw. It's just that I'm an adult and don't need to use the bumper lane when I go bowling. I also approach any interaction with the thing knowing not to 100% trust it and to verify anything it says independently.

Re: Goody-2, the world's most responsible AI model

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Post by jstarfish »

logicchains wrote: post #84
ethanbond wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the reason for optimism? Far more inert technologies like Facebook and Instagram are pulling people into sufficiently terrible mental states to convince them to kill themselves, harm themselves, kill other people, etc. etc.

Violent crime rates are lower than ever before. Just because you saw a news article about something, likely published by a company that's competing with social media for revenue, doesn't mean that something is actually common. Don't base your opinions about something on what its competitors say about it.

> Violent crime rates are lower than ever before

That depends on the boundaries of your window ;)

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/31/violent-c...

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