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A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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Post by Khelavaster »

s_dev wrote: post #13

The real problem is that nearly all seafood is unsustainable. Even when using euphemisms like 'farms' make us thing it's somewhat contained to one place and we just throw them some food pellets manufactured from vegetables in another factory. The reality of salmon farms for instance is that for every 1kg of farmed Salmon it takes 20kg of wild fish to feed them to maturity.

Tilapia can be raised vegetarian. Salmon eat meat. Lots of fish can survive on mostly insects and water plants. All depends.

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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Post by corethree »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #152
corethree wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.dogster.com/lifestyle/are-pigs-smarter-than-dogs

The source of the myth, perhaps?

Or your statement is a myth and you're one of the sources.

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

corethree wrote: post #172
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The source of the myth, perhaps?

Or your statement is a myth and you're one of the sources.

And maybe the moon is made of cheese :)

That aside, if you would stop spreading the myth, that would be better for everybody.

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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Post by Tostino »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #166
addicted wrote: post #26

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Dolphins also rape each other and kill baby dolphins. That’s hardly a justification for what humans should and shouldn’t do.

NO, but it reveals what wild octopus have to put up with. Humans eating a few is like, a drop in the bucket. Worry about something that matters. Like, to the octopus. Likely growing up in a safe well-supplied gentle pool without fear might even appeal to them. Btw you just gave an excellent defense of why it's ok to eat dolphins. They don't care, it's business as usual for them.

When I was growing up, my mother worked at a dolphin rescue center. I spent a whole lot of my early childhood there.

Some dolphins would be make friends with specific other dolphins, and enemies out of others (bullying / attacking) and needed to be kept apart. Not all of them would actually recover enough to live to old age.

I distinctly remember times when a dolphin had a friend die, they would display what I would consider depression symptoms. Not wanting to play with toys, less interest in eating, way less activity in general.

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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Post by lupire »

tiberious726 wrote: post #146
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #140

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> The question the turning test was posed to solve is when does a sufficiently smart computer become sapient. Yes, but it's a test for humans to interpret and judge. What kind of nonsense is it to think it should be used for an animal? A possibly sentient computer is going to be programmed to communicate in one of the human languages for obvious reasons, and animals don't have that luxury. I can't see why you would t…

Yes, we are homo sapiens, sapience is fundamentally a human question. This is why we even care about it in the first place: it boils down to "are some animals human too?" That's why we care about it so much. Hilariously, this is the result I get from Merriam-Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sapience did you even look?

Would you eat a Martian?

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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Post by lupire »

hasty_pudding wrote: post #12

Not trying to be a SJW but a drove an 18 wheeler for a year and would pick up meat from slaughter houses and the way they treat those animals is god forsakenly bad.They put hundreds of chickens in a room and spray water with electrical current into it. The cows would come in on trucks just terrified with the walls covered in their own feces. Not even going to get started on the conditions in which they are raised. It…

Why is abuse bad?

I don't want to be abused. Why should others being abused bother me?

This is a deep and hard question to answer, beyond your personal feelings.

But your personal feeling is also that raw wheat is not palatable. Yet you eat enjoy bread, thanks to capitalism transform it for you.

Also, your local farmer murders cows.

Re: A seafood firm wants to farm octopus. Activists say they're too smart for that

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #173
corethree wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or your statement is a myth and you're one of the sources.

And maybe the moon is made of cheese :) That aside, if you would stop spreading the myth, that would be better for everybody.

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