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Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by reaperman »

Leary wrote: post #16
neom wrote: post #11

Good luck France. Remember what happened to Canada after the Meng Wanzhou situation? Wasn't great. Not saying don't enforce the laws, just... good luck.

Yeah, China arrested Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, the latter later admitted he was used by Michael Kovrig to pass intelligence information to the Canadian spy agencies. [1] The Canada paid them off to remain silent [2]. [1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-spavor-kovrig... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-ready-pay-sett...

Source [1] says:

> China subjected Mr. Spavor to lengthy interrogation sessions, according to one of the sources. He was drugged, forced to sit in a chair for long hours and subjected to threats of execution, the source said. Mr. Spavor admitted to the Chinese interrogators, the source said, that he provided information to Mr. Kovrig.

I'd only be able to trust statements that were made freely. Have either of these two made any statements on the matter since returning to Canada? I also wouldn't trust most plea deals made with US federal prosecutors either -- it's easy for any government to get people to plead guilty to things they didn't do.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by AlbertCory »

neom wrote: post #11

Good luck France. Remember what happened to Canada after the Meng Wanzhou situation? Wasn't great. Not saying don't enforce the laws, just... good luck.

If I happened to carry a French passport and was in China now, I'd get out immediately.

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Post by maxloh »

neom wrote: post #17
maxloh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that those two Canadians put themselves in danger the moment they entered an authoritarian country. It is ridiculous to expect that one will get a fair trial in these kinds of countries; law just exists there not to protect the general public, but the dictator himself.

Turns out being a diplomat isn't quite such a glamorous job, eh? That aside, the situation with the Michaels is a tiny component of how the China-Canada relationship has chilled. The Canadian government continually comes out and says China basically doesn't answer the phone anymore, and it's not like the trade relationship is strong, and we have Xi scolding Justin Trudeau in front of the press on the sidelines of glo…

The website you linked is published by the Hong Kong-based China–United States Exchange Foundation, which was founded by a former Chief Executive of Hong Kong.

As the Chief Executive of Hong Kong is somehow "picked" by the CCP, the media can be seen as semi-state-controlled IMO.

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Post by lorkios »

reaperman wrote: post #19
gmerc wrote: post #8

Just enforcing the law. Happens all the time https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/24/google-of...

Odd to me that for companies like Google the state doesn't believe they can get what they need from simple subpoenas, but rather feel they need to forcibly seize records in person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uber_Files#Kill_switch

Uber implemented a kill switch to prevent government law enforcement from accessing (potentially) incriminating or sensitive information during onsite investigations. When activated, the kill switch would effectively cut off access to Uber's data for the location being raided.

Expecting companies to fully cooperate with state agencies might not always be realistic... I understand why authorities might prefer to directly seize materials or data. It eliminates any potential delay or non-compliance: they basically cut the bullshit.

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Post by jbverschoor »

hef19898 wrote: post #13
neom wrote: post #11

Good luck France. Remember what happened to Canada after the Meng Wanzhou situation? Wasn't great. Not saying don't enforce the laws, just... good luck.

What exactly did happen to Canada? Were they wiped of the map or something?

The same happened to the UK here after the Brexit.

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Post by calamari4065 »

reaperman wrote: post #19
gmerc wrote: post #8

Just enforcing the law. Happens all the time https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/24/google-of...

Odd to me that for companies like Google the state doesn't believe they can get what they need from simple subpoenas, but rather feel they need to forcibly seize records in person.

"Pretty please give us all the incriminating evidence you have and definitely don't quietly destroy any documents! If you do, there will be a token fine!"

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Post by bragr »

biotopia wrote: post #20
gmerc wrote: post #8

Just enforcing the law. Happens all the time https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/24/google-of...

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>The readout of the meeting by China's ministry of defense didn't mention the comments about China's support for Russia's Ukraine war.

They gave some token lip service in person. That's hardly declaring war. You've been pushing this narrative in every comment for days but you don't seem to understand the norms for these kinds of diplomatic meetings.

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Post by calamari4065 »

binkHN wrote: post #12
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #6

CNN Lite: https://lite.cnn.com/2024/02/09/tech/china-huawei-france-fin...

Wow. Never knew about CNN Lite. It loads instantly like good websites should and the content is readable because ads are not flying in from all over the place. Does this work for all CNN articles?

Holy shit, it's been such a long time since I've seen a website load immediately upon opening the link. It's beautiful.

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Post by reaperducer »

binkHN wrote: post #12
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #6

CNN Lite: https://lite.cnn.com/2024/02/09/tech/china-huawei-france-fin...

Wow. Never knew about CNN Lite. It loads instantly like good websites should and the content is readable because ads are not flying in from all over the place. Does this work for all CNN articles?

Also good for edge case use.

I use CNN Lite to read the news on my TRS-80.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by personomas »

reaperman wrote: post #19
gmerc wrote: post #8

Just enforcing the law. Happens all the time https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/24/google-of...

Odd to me that for companies like Google the state doesn't believe they can get what they need from simple subpoenas, but rather feel they need to forcibly seize records in person.

Totally agree. This is behavior of authoritative and totalitarian governments, who demand to have so much authority and power, that they need to attack and undermine the most successfully businesses, bending the laws to do so (or creating abusive laws that give them the power to do so).

France authorities also recently ransacked Nvidias office in France: https://www.reuters.com/technology/nvidias-french-offices-ra...

More and more is it so, that European governments see successful companies as a threat to their power and control.

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