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Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

donalhunt wrote: post #161
sillysaurusx wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had some DM’s which were of personal nature that were rifled through after a contract ended. How do you "clearly mark a DM as personal"? It was creepy, and further illustrated that anything you say in Slack can and will be viewed by the whole company. If not literally, then that’s how you should treat it. You might be right that it’s not illegal, but it would be nice to have those kinds of protections. Trying to ta…

The way this was communicated to me in the past was "don't say/write anything using company resources that you don't want to see on the front of ". All communications on employer-operated platforms are subject to discovery. Senior leaders tend to skirt this by using the telephone or video calls predominantly. However the infiltration of machine learning and AI means transcripts of calls, etc are now possible too. In…

That seems like it would be a much larger constraint than you're making it out to be.

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Post by away271828 »

brnt wrote: post #85
jiehong wrote: post #17

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In the company I knew, it’s usual for people to send an email telling others “hey, it’s my last day, thanks for all the memories. Here is my contact info if you want to.” Others colleagues would also usually organise a virtual envelope with money inside to wish you farewell.

We had biweekly team videocalls, so I just announced my last week in my last call. I find it hard to imagine you have no such contact at all, or that you would say nothing in those meets. You are planning work every now and then, aren't you?

>You are planning work every now and then, aren't you?

In the past, I've tried to give key people on longer-term projects I'm working on a heads-up. But I trusted them and it was longer-term. At the end of the day, I'm not going to let the word out before I'm ready if I'm worried it has the potential to bite me financially, e.g. because of vesting.

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Post by evmar »

umbauk wrote: post #119
evmar wrote: post #58

I made epitaphs! AMA

Is it still going? Were you ever made change it by HR? I left 5 years ago. Loved that thing!

It was still going at the time I left (~2y). Most of the work of keeping it alive had been done by others for the last decade, so I hope someone else is still carrying the torch.

We had the occasional HR interaction but to my recollection never anything nasty.

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Post by bluescrn »

exitb wrote: post #199
planede wrote: post #183

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Ouch. My takeaway is that I should probably delete my slack account before leaving the company.

The takeaway is that no message on Slack should be considered private.

I'd extend that way beyond that, to anything done on a company system/network/device.

If you need privacy, use your personal phone (and don't connect it to the company wifi)

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Post by outworlder »

wil421 wrote: post #203
at-fates-hands wrote: post #66

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I worked at a large web dev company and for years they had this attitude. Then one designer put in his two weeks and spent the majority of the time downloading all the site files for all of the sites the company had built over the two years he was there. We're talking hundreds of static sites where he took the all the design docs and static HTML/CSS/JS files one would need to recreate them somewhere else. Instead of…

Get a DLP system in place for god sakes. I’ve even seen off shore people work from VMs only where they can’t download or store any file locally, much less dump everything to a USB stick.

> I’ve even seen off shore people work from VMs only where they can’t download or store any file locally, much less dump everything to a USB stick.

Sure, they can't do any of that, and development becomes miserable. You don't have to go full VM and remote desktop to prevent those things.

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Post by evmar »

JoachimSchipper wrote: post #79
evmar wrote: post #58

I made epitaphs! AMA

Why did you make epithaps? Any interesting organizational or technical challenges you encountered on the way?

Initially it was a combination of just for the fun of it (it's a small script, as OP described). Secondarily there was the feeling of "everyone is going to go work at [major competitor]" and I was curious whether I could collect the data to show it. (I never ended up looking into this, but maybe HR did.)

As a dumb script it was not designed to be especially flexible. One thing I remember needing to fix was that by its nature it was archiving old data and preserving it, which meant that it was accidentally deadnaming trans people. My recollection is this was a small code fix, but an interesting lesson in social consequences of oblivious software.

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Post by htrp »

jedberg wrote: post #9

Layoffs in the WFH era are weird. Back in the day you had a pretty good idea of who got laid off because you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff. You could go up to them and say, "hey let's meet at $local_watering_hole and hang out". You could swap contact info if you didn't already have it. You could get closure. Now, one day a bunch of people just stop replying to email. You have a to wait a whi…

linkedin ?

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Post by adastra22 »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #308
wil421 wrote: post #202

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Why would anyone consider a company provided messaging service as private? Or even a company provided laptop, cellphone, etc.

Because private messages carry an expectation of privacy. They're different parts of speech from the same root word, after all.

There’s no legal obligation of privacy on a work system though. Not in the US at least.

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Post by GIVEDADDYABYTE »

I tried to make one of these systems at my first job, but my manager expressly forbade me after hearing about it.

Later that company would go on to lay off 15% of software engineers in a day. The support team created tickets in the public issue tracker to decommission employee accounts, so a lot of people found out that way before anyone reached out for a meeting.

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Post by namdnay »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #166
jedberg wrote: post #37

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Assuming they have LinkedIn and you bothered to connect while they still worked with you. :)

Between jobs is the only time you touch LinkedIn, lest HR sees some activity on your profile and buckets you into a "actively job-searching" risk group.

> lest HR sees some activity on your profile and buckets you into a "actively job-searching" risk group

well.... yes? HR considering you "at risk" is a pretty good thing :)

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