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Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by starkparker »

omgbear wrote: post #284

A former company I was at was really weirdly tight-lipped about people leaving. I'm sure totally unrelatedly, we got dinged a bunch on our SOC2 reports improper "off-boarding" and not removing access from terminated folks since no one knew to remove them. Once we added quarterly SOC2 controls to make sure only employees had accounts it was always a shock to see who had to be removed. I know the intent was to improve…

I've had companies use privacy concerns as an excuse, which was hilarious. They couldn't tell us who left because they wanted to respect the laid-off people's privacy so the entire company spent the day compiling a list of all the deactivated Slack accounts. Great job!

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Post by Aeolun »

ZaoLahma wrote: post #78
silisili wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one thing I miss from the work from office lifestyle - the more human connections. People stopping by your desk to chat about life, the joking - I'd never laughed so hard in my life. Closer connections in general, and being sad when people left, but happy when they were for greener pastures. WFH feels so sterile and impersonal in comparison. I've been WFH since 2015 or so, so this isn't a RTO endorsement, just r…

This really highly depends on the people that you work with. At a previous employment (a 100% WFH position) I had most of my colleagues in India, roughly 4 time zones away from my own so we almost never met in person, and we'd have personal chit chat sessions while working. Then I've worked with people who weren't present even when you were sitting right next to them. They'd come into the office, say "morning", put o…

I mean, I love working without headphones in a room with 4 people in. I detest it in a room with 100.

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Post by M2Ys4U »

walthamstow wrote: post #247
M2Ys4U wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR applies to everyone in the EU/EEA/UK. They don't need to be a citizen, they don't need to have any sort of contractual arrangement with the data processor. If they're alive and identifiable, the GDPR applies.

So interesting that you say alive. There's always a some obscure bit of GDPR I've never heard of. Does a dead person not have PII?

Recital 27 of the GDPR states:

>This Regulation does not apply to the personal data of deceased persons. Member States may provide for rules regarding the processing of personal data of deceased persons.

It's not part of the operative text of the regulation, but it provides for a clarification on what a "natural person" is, and the principal prohibition in the regulation is the processing of data about an identified or identifiable natural person.

I would also assume, but I'm not 100% sure, that there's some case law from the CJEU around whether or not the definition of "natural person" includes dead people, which is why it's not in the main body of the text.

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Post by adastra22 »

wil421 wrote: post #202
exitb wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The takeaway is that no message on Slack should be considered private.

Why would anyone consider a company provided messaging service as private? Or even a company provided laptop, cellphone, etc.

People have terrible opsec.

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Post by krsrhe »

kristopolous wrote: post #60
jedberg wrote: post #9

Layoffs in the WFH era are weird. Back in the day you had a pretty good idea of who got laid off because you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff. You could go up to them and say, "hey let's meet at $local_watering_hole and hang out". You could swap contact info if you didn't already have it. You could get closure. Now, one day a bunch of people just stop replying to email. You have a to wait a whi…

The lockout always struck me as dumb and I didn't do it as a manager. If I trusted them for the 3 years they worked for me, I can trust them for another week or two. Tie up loose ends, take your time. We're all adults here. I understand that under the worst circumstances bad things can happen but that's always the case.

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Post by away271828 »

serial_dev wrote: post #158
at-fates-hands wrote: post #66

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I worked at a large web dev company and for years they had this attitude. Then one designer put in his two weeks and spent the majority of the time downloading all the site files for all of the sites the company had built over the two years he was there. We're talking hundreds of static sites where he took the all the design docs and static HTML/CSS/JS files one would need to recreate them somewhere else. Instead of…

> We're talking hundreds of static sites where he took the all the design docs and static HTML/CSS/JS files one would need to recreate them somewhere else. You make it sound like he poached your clients or extorted your company. As they didn't go after him legally, I assume that didn't happen. I assume all the files are on a thumb drive in his drawer, unopened, just in case he wants to remember how "that cool animati…

I don't know the details but so long as its not some top secret IP, taking copies of various work you've personally done seems pretty reasonable. Good idea to do it periodically as you go along though.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by TimTheTinker »

wil421 wrote: post #202
exitb wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The takeaway is that no message on Slack should be considered private.

Why would anyone consider a company provided messaging service as private? Or even a company provided laptop, cellphone, etc.

Because private messages carry an expectation of privacy.

They're different parts of speech from the same root word, after all.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by baud147258 »

tonnydourado wrote: post #253

I'm not sure I get this. If it's in my team/department, I'll know about it one way or another. If not ... Why would I care? People come and go, and if we're friends outside of work, we'll have other channels. Besides that, most companies I worked at don't even maintain the LDAP/whatever properly. I've seen contacts from people that left/were fired stay around for years.

> If not ... Why would I care?

What if they're someone you're working with on and off. Or if you're waiting on some tasks from them?

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by evmar »

laurentlb wrote: post #196
evmar wrote: post #58

I made epitaphs! AMA

The blog post mentions "Someone else who knew you had to add it", but this is not exact (or no longer exact). An employee can send an email to a special address with the content, and it will show up when they leave the company. That's what I did. That said, I can't double-check to see if it worked. :) Thanks for the tool, Evan!

You are both right. Originally you could not email, and like the OP I kind of liked the ceremony of entrusting someone with a message to send from beyond the grave. But someone contributed the code to make the email work, likely after the OP's time.
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