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Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by evilduck »

throwboatyface wrote: post #129
_heimdall wrote: post #72

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone propose the possibility that allowing Russia to use Starlimk is an espionage play. I have no idea if that's actually what's going on, but if it would give Starlink information on troop locations and open a door for listening in on all Starlink-based communications, you would want the public and Russia to believe the CEO is on their side. It would also align with the fact that Russi…

Do you think the American government can't already find Russian ships? America gets their ass beat consistently in unwinnable wars against guerilla armies, but in terms of identifying giant warships I think they're pretty capable.

Guerilla tactics just raise the cost of steamrolling an opponent to an unpalatable level, hiding among civilians, civilian infrastructure, etc. American loses these matchups not because they can't blockade a country, raze their farmlands and wait a few seasons while they all starve, but because fully eliminating and "winning" would be the worst possible choice.

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Post by InCityDreams »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #190
api wrote: post #153

If you build a global thing like this it’s gonna be damn hard to keep anyone anywhere from using it unless you hard geofence.

Ukrainians complained about geofencing. Now it's seemingly gone and they have something new to complain about

Like a two-year war?

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Post by _heimdall »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #208
_heimdall wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Finding them is actually likely much less of a problem than listening in, though providing the Ukrainians with additional ways of finding and tracking their enemy without us directly providing intel does offer the US plausible deniability.

>US plausible deniability *snort*

It never really has to be believable, it just needs to be enough that you can deny direct involvement in a specific attack. I have little patience for politics and which we didn't let pur world be run this way, but that's the way we do it.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by justsomehnguy »

d1sxeyes wrote: post #158
oneshtein wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is at (undeclared) war with US and NATO. Russian propaganda currently says that they started the war to counter NATO expansion.

Russia has always (somewhat fairly) been vocal that since the collapse of the Warsaw pact, Nato has no reason to exist other than to defend against a potential attack from Russia. Nato have always acted as though that's true, and have pursued expanding the alliance to countries bordering Russia, and established missile defence installations there. The closest we ever got to nuclear war was when Russia moved missiles…

> Which is odd, because Russia already has borders with Nato countries, and controlling Ukraine actually brings them closer to where Nato already has a strong foothold.

A couple of minutes with a globe would answer many of those questions. Not the propaganda ones, of course.

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Post by throwaway44023 »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #104
itsoktocry wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he is no way affiliated with the Bulgarian military or army and is likely on russia's payroll The sheer number of people - Americans, mostly - who consider Russia this omnipotent boogeyman is both hilarious and scary. Everything is Russian propaganda, you can't believe anything a Russian says, all Russians are evil. I mean, where does this mentality come from? It's insane. In some circles you can literally dismiss…

Imagine this. SpaceX solves this by terminating every dish bought outside of Ukraine due to antagonist comments

Please, don't. That would disconnect dozens if not hundreds of Ukrainian units.

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Post by _heimdall »

throwboatyface wrote: post #129
_heimdall wrote: post #72

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone propose the possibility that allowing Russia to use Starlimk is an espionage play. I have no idea if that's actually what's going on, but if it would give Starlink information on troop locations and open a door for listening in on all Starlink-based communications, you would want the public and Russia to believe the CEO is on their side. It would also align with the fact that Russi…

Do you think the American government can't already find Russian ships? America gets their ass beat consistently in unwinnable wars against guerilla armies, but in terms of identifying giant warships I think they're pretty capable.

I think it'd be more accurate to say the US consistently signs itself up for wars based on political or economic motivations with little intention of doing what would be needed to actually "win" the war.

Specifically, we either don't define metrics for success or we define completely unrealistic metrics. Worse, we go to war with no intention of destroying an enemy that has left us with no alternative other than to risk many, many human lives to stop them. We go for political wins at home, to claim ground in a geopolitical power struggle, or for natural resources.

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Post by khokhol »

itsoktocry wrote: post #87
oneshtein wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is at (undeclared) war with US and NATO. Russian propaganda currently says that they started the war to counter NATO expansion.

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Why is it so hard to believe that the Russians don't want what they consider hostile parties on their borders?

"Russians" who have an awareness of history (who are all the Russians I know personally) understand, implicitly, that these countries did not join NATO out of hostile intent - but from the need for some level of security to protect against a neighboring country which has done, as I'm sure you must know, some pretty awful things to them in the not so distant past.

They don't love NATO by any means. But they fully get why these countries sought membership. And don't for a minute believe the hogwash put out by the current Tsar, that it was somehow "necessary" to start bombing an shooting everywhere with oblivion, and letting the bodies pile up with such an awful stink -- just to make a "point".

(I put "Russians" in quotes because only about 70 percent of the country is what one would call ethnically Russian).

We would do the exact same thing.

You're right - "we" (by which you mean the US) did in fact do a basically very similar thing, in regard to numerous countries in Latin America from about 1961-1985. To the point of establishing or supporting dictatorships that killed and tortured probably upwards of 200,000 people, on top of putting multiple generations of social development in these countries effectively on hold.

And for which we have been rightly and thoroughly condemned, by folks with a good conscience, and an awareness of basic history everywhere.

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Post by itishappy »

swarnie wrote: post #6
weatherlight wrote: post #2

How is this legal? Can Starlink get in trouble from EU and the US?

If i manufacture a truck and sell it abroad, and eventually it ends up with a weapons mount in the Syrian desert, am i to blame?

Yeah, you very well might be.

If your truck gets traced back to you, expect a government audit. If you sold it to a denied party due to lack of due diligence, you will be held liable.

(A truck is probably an extreme example. I'm not sure we're spending time tracing vehicles, but you better believe we are for our state-of-the-art radio tech.)

Source: I with export controls for the semiconductor industry.

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