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Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by Symbiote »

athoscouto wrote: post #230
Symbiote wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if this counts as personal data. It's a copy of everyone's name, job title and employment dates. I can certainly see many European businesses would be wary of an employee keeping this list.

Are you referring to GDPR? Does it apply to employees too, or only customers?

Depending on the business, employee data can be more of a concern than customers.

A business probably handles sensitive private data on employees (e.g. medical conditions, family records). Employees know this, and could report an ex-employer out of spite, especially if they're aware of poor data security.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by delfinom »

planede wrote: post #183
sillysaurusx wrote: post #128

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Yep. That’s how it happened for me.

Ouch. My takeaway is that I should probably delete my slack account before leaving the company.

Slack keeps those messages even if you delete the account when you leave. It's a data retention setting.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by tonnydourado »

jedberg wrote: post #9

Layoffs in the WFH era are weird. Back in the day you had a pretty good idea of who got laid off because you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff. You could go up to them and say, "hey let's meet at $local_watering_hole and hang out". You could swap contact info if you didn't already have it. You could get closure. Now, one day a bunch of people just stop replying to email. You have a to wait a whi…

> you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff

That's cool, I've never seen anyone that worked in a 90's movie before!

Seriously, though, is that a thing? Was it ever?

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by morkalork »

adastra22 wrote: post #95
economicalidea wrote: post #88

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You can’t get private Slack messages easily if you don’t have direct access to the account. There is an audit feature on the Enterprise version that allows it, and you can appeal to slack to open the messages due to a crime or similar - but AFAIK on the normal plans you are out of luck of you want to read private messages as workspace owner.

Request access to former employee’s corporate email and reset the password.

Hah, that would be the trick wouldn't it. My old manager used to get all of his former employees work emails forwarded to an account he had access to. Ostensibly it was a precaution against accidentally missing anything critical from a vendor or partner.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by drchickensalad »

tonnydourado wrote: post #293
jedberg wrote: post #9

Layoffs in the WFH era are weird. Back in the day you had a pretty good idea of who got laid off because you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff. You could go up to them and say, "hey let's meet at $local_watering_hole and hang out". You could swap contact info if you didn't already have it. You could get closure. Now, one day a bunch of people just stop replying to email. You have a to wait a whi…

> you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff That's cool, I've never seen anyone that worked in a 90's movie before! Seriously, though, is that a thing? Was it ever?

...yes? That's why it's in movies

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by delfinom »

kunley wrote: post #103
Aurornis wrote: post #48

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Watching people’s accounts go into deactivated status in Slack with no goodbye is sad. The most toxic boss I ever worked for would request access to former employee’s Slack accounts under the guise of looking for data to transition their job. Their accounts would periodically go green when he logged in as them. Spooky to see ex-coworker accounts go green and know the boss is scouring their private messages. I know co…

Fortunately in Europe what the said boss did is illegal and this can end with a criminal prosecution.

It's completely legal in the US and often mandated by regulation. In some US industries, even your phone calls are recorded by law.

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Post by Aeolun »

tonnydourado wrote: post #293
jedberg wrote: post #9

Layoffs in the WFH era are weird. Back in the day you had a pretty good idea of who got laid off because you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff. You could go up to them and say, "hey let's meet at $local_watering_hole and hang out". You could swap contact info if you didn't already have it. You could get closure. Now, one day a bunch of people just stop replying to email. You have a to wait a whi…

> you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff That's cool, I've never seen anyone that worked in a 90's movie before! Seriously, though, is that a thing? Was it ever?

I mean, I have a bunch of personal stuff in the office. On my last day in the office I’ll bring it all home because I need it until that time.

I can imagine myself bringing it all in a handy box if I were suddenly fired (which is impossible in my country of residence, but it’s about the idea)

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by omgbear »

azemetre wrote: post #287
omgbear wrote: post #284

A former company I was at was really weirdly tight-lipped about people leaving. I'm sure totally unrelatedly, we got dinged a bunch on our SOC2 reports improper "off-boarding" and not removing access from terminated folks since no one knew to remove them. Once we added quarterly SOC2 controls to make sure only employees had accounts it was always a shock to see who had to be removed. I know the intent was to improve…

That definitely sounds bad. I wonder what sort of justification they had to not tell people who left? Not having closure is one of the most common grievances people have about relationships, friends, lovers, siblings, or colleagues that disappear. It seems purposely malicious.

Agreed the lack of closure was frustrating.

Stemming the tide maybe? Don't want people to leave when they see a respected or well tenured person leave / get laid off?

All happened after an acquisition, so I'm not sure if this was business as usual for the other company or in response to increased attrition.

We ended up with an alumni slack like others here have mentioned.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by dylan604 »

data-ottawa wrote: post #255
seer wrote: post #122

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One company I worked for used to have an unofficial “ex-company” slack setup, where people would get invited to by others that have already left and were in there, it was kinda nice since you form bonds with people and suddenly they’re just gone. You might have not managed to connect with them in any other form. But you login to “ex-company” slack workspace and here they are - everyone that went through the company.…

This seems common now, I’m part of two such groups and it’s a nicer experience than trying to keep up via LinkedIn.

Only a recruiter would think keeping up on LinkedIn would be the route to take

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by Aeolun »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #73
kristopolous wrote: post #69

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Anyone could have done that at any time. The two weeks isn't magic. It could have been unannounced and they just stop showing up. You either trust your people or you don't. If you don't, get rid of them and lock them out. If you do and you still have to let them go then don't worry about it. People are far too inhuman in professional relationships and I strongly dislike that tendency. You likely spend as much time wi…

But once they receive the bad news, their motivation for revenge increases, which is why similar policies exist in many workplaces. Trust isn’t a univariate, piecewise defined function like you suggest.

I think people in general are a lot better about being fired if it doesn’t happen at the drop of a hat. Unfortunately in the US it seems like you can go from gainfully employed to jobless in the space of an unfortunate 10 minutes. That’d piss me off too.
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