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Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by gruez »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #127
_heimdall wrote: post #72

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone propose the possibility that allowing Russia to use Starlimk is an espionage play. I have no idea if that's actually what's going on, but if it would give Starlink information on troop locations and open a door for listening in on all Starlink-based communications, you would want the public and Russia to believe the CEO is on their side. It would also align with the fact that Russi…

There is of course the reality that they actively helped the Ukranians with internet connectivity when early in the war they lost most of their satellite connectivity due to Russian hackers disrupting that. Distinguishing Russian users from Ukranian ones in Ukraine is probably not that easy.

Can't they look up the subscriber information? Presumably the Ukrainian ones would be registered to the Ukrainian government, but the Russian ones would be registered to some random UAE company.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by belter »

vixen99 wrote: post #128
belter wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Why is this comment noteworthy? He is a smart guy irrespective of whomsoever makes this observation.

You would not find worth of self-reflection, if an indicted war criminal would be publicly praising you?

"Elon Musk spoke with Vladimir Putin directly, Pentagon official says" - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/elon-musk-pu...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_the...

"CC judges issue arrest warrants against Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova" - https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-is...

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by throwaway44023 »

gruez wrote: post #131
jillesvangurp wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is of course the reality that they actively helped the Ukranians with internet connectivity when early in the war they lost most of their satellite connectivity due to Russian hackers disrupting that. Distinguishing Russian users from Ukranian ones in Ukraine is probably not that easy.

Can't they look up the subscriber information? Presumably the Ukrainian ones would be registered to the Ukrainian government, but the Russian ones would be registered to some random UAE company.

Many, many Starlink terminals and service subscriptions used in war zones by members of the UA army are donated and/or fully or partially paid for by private people - ukrainians and many more nationalities (including UAE). I personally helped stuff a van full of Starlink terminals and drones and my friend drove it to the UA border (though this was a much larger group effort than just us - especially the finance and sourcing).

The UA army command is doing everything it can, but it's not unlimited and everywhere. The war effort relies on help of private individuals and groups a lot. Many soldiers are using equipment sourced entirely from private sources - all they got officially was a uniform and gun. All the drone videos you see on the internet - these are almost 100% bought privately.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

Throw73747 wrote: post #123

So is starlink military technology, and if yes, are its satellites military assets? Ukraine has technology to shutdown this network!

At the core, it's all military technology. Canned food was invented for Napoleon's Grand Armee.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by sgift »

itsoktocry wrote: post #87
oneshtein wrote: post #52

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Russia is at (undeclared) war with US and NATO. Russian propaganda currently says that they started the war to counter NATO expansion.

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Because NATO did not expand. Countries decided to join NATO. You may think this is the same with other words, but it isn't.

In the first version there's only two actors in the world, who can make decisions: Russia and NATO (or rather USA, for they argue NATO is basically the USA with another name). In the second version countries are free to decide who they associate with. There wasn't some empty space that NATO moved into. The countries who were there said "hey, NATO. Russia has been attacking and oppressing us for a long time and we fear they will do it again. We'd like to join."

To answer your second question: Exactly what Russias neighbors feared is the reason. Russia is unhappy they couldn't oppress their neighbors anymore since 1990 and they want to do it again. They cannot really do it to the countries that already joined NATO, so they did it to the country that was late to the party.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by grugagag »

DoItToMe81 wrote: post #60
Ekaros wrote: post #50

Time for Ukraine to start shooting down satellites? What is the most efficient way to do it?

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Russia could economically collapse as well though it’s true that they have a longer runway. But as far as corruption goes I think Russia is far more corrupt than Ukraine, US or China. Russia is literally a mob state in its current form.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by actionfromafar »

papercrane wrote: post #51
swores wrote: post #42

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Forgive me if I'm thinking like a TV writer since I don't have the scientific knowledge, hence the question: can GPS signals not be spoofed, if you are in possession of the device you want to trick? I.e. Couldn't they have fake GPS signals right next to a Starlink terminal that's not strong enough to have a wide-reaching effect, but enough for the terminal to believe it's somewhere it isn't and report that false loca…

Spoofing is possible, and Russia is known to use it. But it's unlikely they'd use it here. Spoofing is pretty indiscriminate, so nearby devices would also be affected, and as another commenter pointed out the device knowing it's location is important for it to connect to the network. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/vladimir-putin/russia-spoofing-...

The spoofing could be local to exactly the device you want to spoof. Just put a very weak sender on top of the antenna.

Agree about the other stuff though, and the points made in other comments that Starlink is sort of a GPS itself.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by menacingly »

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #40
petre wrote: post #32

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Why disable? They're useful to launch attacks on Russian troops by giving away their positions.

The point is that he's done this before in order to disadvantage Ukraine. He is quite clearly on the side of russia.

1) why is that quite clear?

2) so?

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