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Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by hoseja »

lakpan wrote: post #18
londons_explore wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some plans have worldwide coverage. I believe starlink is deliberately allowing the service to work in places without licensing [1], because they want to follow the precedent of other sat-phone and sat-TV operators who just have worldwide service without getting permission from every government first. (and in many cases don't have the ability to geoblock, because the signal beam covers entire continents) [1]: https:/…

> don't have the ability to geoblock I don’t think anything is stopping them from triangulating if they wanted to, right?

Physically impossible if you just have a couple satellites in GEO.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by watwut »

kramerger wrote: post #29
numpad0 wrote: post #17

Do Starlink not have to follow Ukrainian radio laws within 2014 or at least 2022 Ukrainian territories? If they have to, wouldn’t they be required to reject authentications from terminals not tied to payment account for Ukraine or US DoD, if not by law at this point, like starting yesterday by Ukrainian Presidential order?

So you mean Ukraine should request these to be disabled i aide the occupied territories and if Musk refuses he has basically taken side with Russia in annexation of Ukraine? :) :)

Didn't he already taken that side?

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by serf »

swarnie wrote: post #6
weatherlight wrote: post #2

How is this legal? Can Starlink get in trouble from EU and the US?

If i manufacture a truck and sell it abroad, and eventually it ends up with a weapons mount in the Syrian desert, am i to blame?

the truck company can't suddenly decide to stop providing the truck.

that's one of the primary reasons a service isn't necessarily a good.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by willsmith72 »

bigfudge wrote: post #26
willsmith72 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's not that simple export and re-export laws, especially from the US, are extremely complicated

This comment states the obvious, but it isn't adding anything. Must has expensive lawyers for this kind of stuff, but in the worst case (there is no legal route to stop Russia using starlink in this way) I would want to make it very clear that that was a problem and use my substantial voice to have something done about it.

exactly

comment i replied to was acting like you would not be legally at fault

in reality, it's way too complicated to say. at best it's ethically shady, at worst it's a mega fine and jail time

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by Etheryte »

kramerger wrote: post #29
numpad0 wrote: post #17

Do Starlink not have to follow Ukrainian radio laws within 2014 or at least 2022 Ukrainian territories? If they have to, wouldn’t they be required to reject authentications from terminals not tied to payment account for Ukraine or US DoD, if not by law at this point, like starting yesterday by Ukrainian Presidential order?

So you mean Ukraine should request these to be disabled i aide the occupied territories and if Musk refuses he has basically taken side with Russia in annexation of Ukraine? :) :)

Musk has already taken that side, on numerous occasions if memory serves well.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

luciusdomitius wrote: post #5
DecoySalamander wrote: post #3

Curious to see if Musk is willing to step in and disable them or if this treatment is reserved for UAF only.

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This is completely untrue.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk....

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

petre wrote: post #32
DecoySalamander wrote: post #3

Curious to see if Musk is willing to step in and disable them or if this treatment is reserved for UAF only.

Why disable? They're useful to launch attacks on Russian troops by giving away their positions.

The point is that he's done this before in order to disadvantage Ukraine.

He is quite clearly on the side of russia.

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