Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why doesn't Musk's Company just turn off the Starlink panels , you know operating in Russia, just like he did over Crimea?
Why would he? Is the US at war with Russia?
Not yet.
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Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why doesn't Musk's Company just turn off the Starlink panels , you know operating in Russia, just like he did over Crimea?
That's exactly what they have been doing since the start of the invasion, and that's how they explained the cut-off when Ukraine was using the Sea Babies for the first time. So either something changed, or the article's claims are bogus. Starlink definitely has the exact location and ID of every ground terminal and can easily refuse the connection.
Are you sure those weren't registered to the ukrainian army?
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#23Having to rely on a hostile technology that could be remote disabled in any moment is not a good indicator for good shape of army in battlefield
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#24How is this legal? Can Starlink get in trouble from EU and the US?
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I don’t think that’s what they meant.
Starlink is a US company. The US have imposed some sanctions against Russia. Likewise EU have imposed sanctions against Russia too.
So the question I think they are asking is if Starlink is in violation of any US or EU sanctions here.
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#25Starlink doesn't offer service in UAE, so this must refer to diverted use of Starlink Maritime. Starlink Maritime is offered through (among others) Dubai-based maritime supplier ELCOME.[0]
The ToS for Starlink Maritime isn't available, but this partner brochure[1] says:
"Starlink Maritime is available for use in waters around the globe. Coverage in Territorial Waters is contingent on government approval." (italics in original)
"* Starlink Maritime service is provided on a best effort basis; stated speeds and uninterrupted use of services are not guaranteed."
So yes, Starlink will have ample reason and cause to shut down any ELCOME (etc) terminals found operating inside Ukraine or its territorial waters. Starlink terminals all have built-in GPS, so from a technical standpoint this is trivially easy.
[0] https://www.thenationalnews.com/business/technology/2023/01/...
[1] https://www.speedcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Speedca...
Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
If i manufacture a truck and sell it abroad, and eventually it ends up with a weapons mount in the Syrian desert, am i to blame?
it's not that simple export and re-export laws, especially from the US, are extremely complicated
This comment states the obvious, but it isn't adding anything. Must has expensive lawyers for this kind of stuff, but in the worst case (there is no legal route to stop Russia using starlink in this way) I would want to make it very clear that that was a problem and use my substantial voice to have something done about it.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why doesn't Musk's Company just turn off the Starlink panels , you know operating in Russia, just like he did over Crimea?
> Why doesn't Musk's Company just turn off the Starlink panels , you know operating in Russia, just like he did over Crimea? I'm also sure they can distinguish between terminals used by ukrainians and russians on a front line that probably changes daily.
Starlinks are associated with a user account.
So it should be trivial to determine who is Ukrainian and who is not Ukrainian.
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#29Do Starlink not have to follow Ukrainian radio laws within 2014 or at least 2022 Ukrainian territories? If they have to, wouldn’t they be required to reject authentications from terminals not tied to payment account for Ukraine or US DoD, if not by law at this point, like starting yesterday by Ukrainian Presidential order?
So you mean Ukraine should request these to be disabled i aide the occupied territories and if Musk refuses he has basically taken side with Russia in annexation of Ukraine?
:) :)
Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai
#30Having to rely on a hostile technology that could be remote disabled in any moment is not a good indicator for good shape of army in battlefield
Is the tech hostile here?