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Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by nottorp »

weatherlight wrote: post #7
nottorp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure the precogs employed by Starlink can predict which terminals sold in other countries will be "illegally" moved to Russia and stop the transaction before it happens. So yes, it's all Starlink's fault. I'm also sure they can distinguish between terminals used by ukrainians and russians on a front line that probably changes daily. Again, it's their fault. Musk can be blamed for a lot of things, but for this, no…

Why doesn't Musk's Company just turn off the Starlink panels , you know operating in Russia, just like he did over Crimea?

> Why doesn't Musk's Company just turn off the Starlink panels , you know operating in Russia, just like he did over Crimea?

I'm also sure they can distinguish between terminals used by ukrainians and russians on a front line that probably changes daily.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by RNAlfons »

swarnie wrote: post #6
weatherlight wrote: post #2

How is this legal? Can Starlink get in trouble from EU and the US?

If i manufacture a truck and sell it abroad, and eventually it ends up with a weapons mount in the Syrian desert, am i to blame?

This is not a truck.

If your truck would have an extension cord going back to your factory so it can run and running the truck would be sanctioned, you could be blamed if you don't cut the cord.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by trickstra »

weatherlight wrote: post #7
nottorp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure the precogs employed by Starlink can predict which terminals sold in other countries will be "illegally" moved to Russia and stop the transaction before it happens. So yes, it's all Starlink's fault. I'm also sure they can distinguish between terminals used by ukrainians and russians on a front line that probably changes daily. Again, it's their fault. Musk can be blamed for a lot of things, but for this, no…

Why doesn't Musk's Company just turn off the Starlink panels , you know operating in Russia, just like he did over Crimea?

That's exactly what they have been doing since the start of the invasion, and that's how they explained the cut-off when Ukraine was using the Sea Babies for the first time. So either something changed, or the article's claims are bogus. Starlink definitely has the exact location and ID of every ground terminal and can easily refuse the connection.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by londons_explore »

a012 wrote: post #8

The terminal and/or account isn't geo locked? By this news I can register a Starlink account in a country and then move to my not-supported country?

Some plans have worldwide coverage.

I believe starlink is deliberately allowing the service to work in places without licensing [1], because they want to follow the precedent of other sat-phone and sat-TV operators who just have worldwide service without getting permission from every government first. (and in many cases don't have the ability to geoblock, because the signal beam covers entire continents)

[1]: https://www.itweb.co.za/article/icasa-takes-note-of-illegal-...

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by willsmith72 »

swarnie wrote: post #6
weatherlight wrote: post #2

How is this legal? Can Starlink get in trouble from EU and the US?

If i manufacture a truck and sell it abroad, and eventually it ends up with a weapons mount in the Syrian desert, am i to blame?

it's not that simple

export and re-export laws, especially from the US, are extremely complicated

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by wslh »

swarnie wrote: post #6
weatherlight wrote: post #2

How is this legal? Can Starlink get in trouble from EU and the US?

If i manufacture a truck and sell it abroad, and eventually it ends up with a weapons mount in the Syrian desert, am i to blame?

Here we are talking about regulations even if we agree or not. Answering your question: if your truck is specially considered under those regulations the answer is yes.

For example, we had a customer from Malaysia who was in jail in US because he sold normal hardware devices bought in USA to Iran and that is banned.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by numpad0 »

Do Starlink not have to follow Ukrainian radio laws within 2014 or at least 2022 Ukrainian territories?

If they have to, wouldn’t they be required to reject authentications from terminals not tied to payment account for Ukraine or US DoD, if not by law at this point, like starting yesterday by Ukrainian Presidential order?

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by lakpan »

londons_explore wrote: post #14
a012 wrote: post #8

The terminal and/or account isn't geo locked? By this news I can register a Starlink account in a country and then move to my not-supported country?

Some plans have worldwide coverage. I believe starlink is deliberately allowing the service to work in places without licensing [1], because they want to follow the precedent of other sat-phone and sat-TV operators who just have worldwide service without getting permission from every government first. (and in many cases don't have the ability to geoblock, because the signal beam covers entire continents) [1]: https:/…

> don't have the ability to geoblock

I don’t think anything is stopping them from triangulating if they wanted to, right?

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